725,000 public sector jobs face axe, economist warns

robin_banks

marklv wrote: »

If this happens, which I very much doubt, it will ruin the economy totally. Putting over half a million more people on the dole isn't going to achieve anything or even save much money. I think a five year recruitment freeze and compulsory early retitrements for the over 55s would largely solve the problem without a jobs massacre. Massive job cuts will not really save that much as redundancy payouts and benefit payments will be hugely expensive, so what's the point? I'm sure that a cost-benefit analysis would confirm this. Better to reduce numbers steadily and slowly through natural wastage.

Tbh it only be done through natural wastage.

ILW

lemonjelly wrote: »

Hooray!:) Proper debate, thought, issues etc!:T



I know.;) Devils advocate to get the chatter flowing!;)



Too right. Who the hell are capita sleeting with to get the contracts they get? They must have a seriously large collection of compromising photo's of a large number of people...
(PS bet you money that the IT firm in Cardiff would do a better, more efficient & friendlier job, & would be more customer focussed).

And who gave Capita the contact?
Some idiot civil servant who will NOT be sacked if it is found that the contract is one sided on the side of the contractor. Much of the waste is due to any lack of true accountability. The poor old taxpayer always picks up the bill.

robin_banks

marklv wrote: »

You can't cherry pick public services. You either have them or you don't - and if you want the latter then you can imagine the consequences.

Quite, NHS being a classic example. I don't use the NHS as I'm in good health, that is of course not to say that I won't use it at some point.

lemonjelly

ILW wrote: »

And who gave Capita the contact?
Some idiot civil servant who will NOT be sacked if it is found that the contract is one sided on the side of the contractor. Much of the waste is due to any lack of true accountability. The poor old taxpayer always picks up the bill.

So in my opinion a private firm which has a monopoly is not good, has poor customer service, gives poor results & you feel this is because of the public sector...?

Blimey. I'd be more concerned that such a badly run poor performing is alleged to be a shining example of the private sector...

ILW

robin_banks wrote: »

Quite, NHS being a classic example. I don't use the NHS as I'm in good health, that is of course not to say that I won't use it at some point.

Buty do you believe the NHS should be doing Tattoo removal, treating foreign nationals with no UK status, etc etc.

The_White_Horse

lemonjelly wrote: »

Ah! Right. Like that wealth creating banking industry which has cost taxpayers £850bn? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/163850bn-official-cost-of-the-bank-bailout-1833830.html


Righto. Ok. So the extremely profitable well run super efficient RBS should still pay bonuses despite their massive cost to taxpayers?

Further, no response to the amount of tax breaks, subsidies etc given to business'? How about we cease that cash cow being milked to a ridiculous extent by huge corporations who can afford to contribute a lot more, yet do little other than take.

If RBS has made a loss - then there should be no bonuses paid.

however, you also need to consider that in order for a bank to be profitable, they need good traders and to retain good traders, they need to be paid well. why would a trader work at RBS for 100k and no bonus when they could work at Barclays for 300k and 1m bonus.

If the traders eventually turn RBS around the tax payer will be far better off than if it fails.

It is the lesser of two evils.

I would have let it fail. Now that it has been bailed out it HAS to succeed.

[Deleted User]

The_White_Horse wrote: »

you are obviously an idiot. so you can't have necessary public services like nurses or police and not have walking co-ordinators and street scene managers?????

So you would actually like some public services. How about telling us which ones are worthy of being paid with your tax money?

marklv

The_White_Horse wrote: »

lemonjelly wrote: »

So, can anyone tell me why there is such a blood lust amongst the private sector workers on here against the public sector?

because the public sector is filled with loads of morons who add NOTHING but cost. If this happens in the private sector (which it does) we can choose not to deal with that company. we cannot avoid it in the public sector.

why should I pay for glossy magazines printed by councils, translators, flexi time, stupid schemes, meeting and hateful public workers who feel they are owed a living and almost look down their noses at private sector wealth generators.

people work in the public sector because (a) they are not good enough to be in the private sector or (b) because the have left wing tendancies.

These council clowns on 250k a year don't know what pressure is. there decisions don't make or break anything. if they lose money they just beg for more or take more.

public sector workers have NO RESPECT for the private sector who generate the money to pay their massively inflated salaries and pensions.

Most are scum.

Reading your posts is reading the rantings of a lunatic. :rotfl:

Of course there are no morons in the private sector? You are just one of them, naturally. I bet there are millions, and I've met more than my fair share. As for 'not good enough to be in the private sector, kindly explain why the Civil Service is one of the top destinations for Oxbridge graduates?

You are stupid dic*head. Everything you say is pure vicious bile.

kennyboy66_2

ILW wrote: »

Typical pie in the sky public sector argument. Retire all at 55. I would suggest that is fine as long as there is a suitable reduction on pension payments, You will probably not agree.
Also why should a civil serveant get any more than statutory redundancy pay if made redundant? That is is the type of thing that dismays taxpayers.

Becuase it's in their contract - incidentally the terms of which were first agreed under a Tory government.

Norfolk_Jim

Not long ago you were calling all public sector workers scum and filth, now some are necessary - make your mind up.
Most people would I think agree with you about the exotic jobs you read about in the papers, and nearly all quangoes, which can surely go, along with all the political correctness and the wasters who enforce it all - but many public sector workers are doing a good job and we benefit from them - soldiers, nurses, many teachers, some social workers, police, firemen etc. You tar everyone with the same brush which makes you, not marklv look the idiot - even in the private sector you get hangers on and system milkers and people who are promoted to their level of incompetence.