725,000 public sector jobs face axe, economist warns

The_White_Horse

people are utterly sick of the attitude of public sector workers. at least 50% of them do not do anything worthwhile. they think they are owed a living, owed a massive pension, owed job security, owed a pay increase.

you are all owed NOTHING. you are hired help and when we don't need your help, get out.

I HATE THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

you need to be a specific type of person to work in the public sector. it is hard to move from one area to another - not impossible.

once a teacher was moaning at me about his pay. I said why don't you get paid according to your results. if all your kids get "A" grades you get paid more than if they all get "D" grades etc. he laughed in my face and wouldn't accept it. i told him that is what happens in the real world, you get judges (and paid) according to results and if your results aren't up to it, you're out.

that is what is wrong with the public sector.

marklv

lemonjelly wrote: »

Sigh. My request for reasonableness lasted...1post:(

What do you expect? This place is full of venomous beasts, so stamp on them, son't argue with them! I just treat them like the lowlife scum they are - I've long given up on any reasoned argument.:rotfl:

marklv

ILW wrote: »

The anger comes from the fact that we are being forced to pay for these jobs whether we believe there is any value to them or not. I can chose which private companies I wish to use.

You can't cherry pick public services. You either have them or you don't - and if you want the latter then you can imagine the consequences.

StevieJ

marklv wrote: »

If this happens, which I very much doubt, it will ruin the economy totally. Putting over half a million more people on the dole isn't going to achieve anything or even save much money. I think a five year recruitment freeze and compulsory early retitrements for the over 55s would largely solve the problem without a jobs massacre. Massive job cuts will not really save that much as redundancy payouts and benefit payments will be hugely expensive, so what's the point? I'm sure that a cost-benefit analysis would confirm this. Better to reduce numbers steadily and slowly through natural wastage.

You are assuming they won't do something about these as well?

marklv

The_White_Horse wrote: »

its a reasonable start. they need to get rid of another 1m after this.

they also need to do away with the private sector whose "only" client is the Govt. that is not the private sector.

As i always say, a friend of mine is being paid 500 a day by the MoJ to mess around with computers. they would never actually pay a staff member this much. He needs to be told - you work for us on a reasonable salary, or you are terminated. no questions asked.

what about all these PR firms and Crisis Managers and Advisors employed by New Liebour? Cancel all contracts. If necessary, they need to make new law that allows a new govt to cancel any of the old Govt's contracts - or at least those made in the last 12 months.

Public sector blood sucking filth.

Interesting. What you advocate, therefore, is that large IT suppliers like HP and the like should go out of business! And they would certainly go out of business in the UK market without any public sector custom, as private sector work is nowhere enough to sustain them. We would have 5M unemployed before long with your ideas.

ILW

marklv wrote: »

If this happens, which I very much doubt, it will ruin the economy totally. Putting over half a million more people on the dole isn't going to achieve anything or even save much money. I think a five year recruitment freeze and compulsory early retitrements for the over 55s would largely solve the problem without a jobs massacre. Massive job cuts will not really save that much as redundancy payouts and benefit payments will be hugely expensive, so what's the point? I'm sure that a cost-benefit analysis would confirm this. Better to reduce numbers steadily and slowly through natural wastage.

Typical pie in the sky public sector argument. Retire all at 55. I would suggest that is fine as long as there is a suitable reduction on pension payments, You will probably not agree.
Also why should a civil serveant get any more than statutory redundancy pay if made redundant? That is is the type of thing that dismays taxpayers.

lemonjelly

The_White_Horse wrote: »

why do you think people who work hard and create wealth get annoyed by the public sector?

Ah! Right. Like that wealth creating banking industry which has cost taxpayers £850bn? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/163850bn-official-cost-of-the-bank-bailout-1833830.html

The_White_Horse wrote: »

and as for a bonus - why on earth should any public sector worker get a bonus????? a bonus is paid when a company has done well and there are excess PROFITS. those profits are then distributed to the staff responsible for generating the profits.

YOU ARE JUST A COST TO ME. there is no way you should get a bonus.

Righto. Ok. So the extremely profitable well run super efficient RBS should still pay bonuses despite their massive cost to taxpayers?

Further, no response to the amount of tax breaks, subsidies etc given to business'? How about we cease that cash cow being milked to a ridiculous extent by huge corporations who can afford to contribute a lot more, yet do little other than take.

lemonjelly

JasonLVC wrote: »

I don't think there is any 'blood lust' in the real world LemonJ. There might be some here on the forums, but forums tend to boil down to black and white opinions.

The perceived 'blood lust' might be that the private sector has already gone through the pain process last year - many firms making redundancies, pay freezes, final salary pensions being denied, cancelled bonus', etc.

Meanwhile, the public sector has been arguing for pay increases, refusal to change pension scheme, stories of civil servants earning bonus' when their deparment has failed targets, etc.

Maybe it is just the pure economic fact that the state cannot continue to spend money it hasn't got.

Finally, do public sector job losses have an air of 'race card' to it. What I mean is that when you try to discuss immigration on the forums (or even in parliment), the race card was played instantly to quash discussion. I suspect public sector pay cuts are the 'new' immigrants and how dare anyone talk about cutting public sector jobs - you must be some sort of facist/capitalist Pig!:D

As the topic becomes more and more taboo, the more frustrations it develops amongst those with a voice that is not heard.

Hooray!:) Proper debate, thought, issues etc!:T

JasonLVC wrote: »

To generalist a statement I think LemonJ.

You're assuming that ALL private sector business gets grants, tax breaks and work in PFI construction. They do not.

There are certainly grants designed to stimulate growth or invesment for small, start-up or medium sized firms and big grants to foreign manufacturers to setup shop in the UK - but then there are grants for food when you're pregnant or for clothing and grants given to charities to run drop-in centres for ethnic minorities or disabled people, etc.

We all get tax breaks too - allowances, PAYE thresholds, benefits for those who don't work, ISA's, etc.?

I know.;) Devils advocate to get the chatter flowing!;)

JasonLVC wrote: »

PFI/Subcontract work is a big drain on public sector resources - they need each other for sure, but to win government contracts is so much hassle only the big boys can afford it and that means they charge more. Why does Capita get every IT contract when a medium sized IT firm in Cardiff could do an equally good job?

Too right. Who the hell are capita sleeting with to get the contracts they get? They must have a seriously large collection of compromising photo's of a large number of people...
(PS bet you money that the IT firm in Cardiff would do a better, more efficient & friendlier job, & would be more customer focussed).

The_White_Horse

marklv wrote: »

You can't cherry pick public services. You either have them or you don't - and if you want the latter then you can imagine the consequences.

you are obviously an idiot. so you can't have necessary public services like nurses or police and not have walking co-ordinators and street scene managers?????

The_White_Horse

marklv wrote: »

Interesting. What you advocate, therefore, is that large IT suppliers like HP and the like should go out of business! And they would certainly go out of business in the UK market without any public sector custom, as private sector work is nowhere enough to sustain them. We would have 5M unemployed before long with your ideas.

i think HP have more clients than just Govt - which is what I said - companies whose "Only" client is the Govt.