725,000 public sector jobs face axe, economist warns

The_White_Horse

lemonjelly wrote: »

Sigh. My request for reasonableness lasted...1post:(

i am as reasonable as the public sector workers. ie completely unreasonable.


why do you think people who work hard and create wealth get annoyed by the public sector?

you know what makes me laugh most? when a public sector moron says "we pay tax as well" hahahahahahahaha. just shows their complete lack of understanding.

the public sector needs to remember that they public servants. they need to know their place.

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The_White_Horse wrote: »

lemonjelly wrote: »

So, can anyone tell me why there is such a blood lust amongst the private sector workers on here against the public sector?

because the public sector is filled with loads of morons who add NOTHING but cost. If this happens in the private sector (which it does) we can choose not to deal with that company. we cannot avoid it in the public sector.

why should I pay for glossy magazines printed by councils, translators, flexi time, stupid schemes, meeting and hateful public workers who feel they are owed a living and almost look down their noses at private sector wealth generators.

people work in the public sector because (a) they are not good enough to be in the private sector or (b) because the have left wing tendancies.

These council clowns on 250k a year don't know what pressure is. there decisions don't make or break anything. if they lose money they just beg for more or take more.

public sector workers have NO RESPECT for the private sector who generate the money to pay their massively inflated salaries and pensions.

Most are scum.

A bit harsh! I work in public sector because as a social worker it's where I can do the work I'm qualified to do.

My wage is certinly not over inflated for the work I do, I get paid no overtime despite working it unlike the private sector. Instead I get flexi time so I dont end up working a 50+ hr week for 35hr pay!

Nor do I get bonuses unlike the private sector despite very good apraisals, meeting targets and going above and beyond the call of duty. Despite this I do it because it gives me job satisfaction.

Ok so joe public was not asked if they wanted to pay my wages out of their tax. Who do you suggest should carry out the work with those unable to help themselves? Priests and nuns maybe, oh no we went there in the past and look what happened!

The_White_Horse

_shel wrote: »

The_White_Horse wrote: »

lemonjelly wrote: »

So, can anyone tell me why there is such a blood lust amongst the private sector workers on here against the public sector?



A bit harsh! I work in public sector because as a social worker it's where I can do the work I'm qualified to do.

My wage is certinly not over inflated for the work I do, I get paid no overtime despite working it unlike the private sector. Instead I get flexi time so I dont end up working a 50+ hr week for 35hr pay!

Nor do I get bonuses unlike the private sector despite very good apraisals, meeting targets and going above and beyond the call of duty. Despite this I do it because it gives me job satisfaction.

Ok so joe public was not asked if they wanted to pay my wages out of their tax. Who do you suggest should carry out the work with those unable to help themselves? Priests and nuns maybe, oh no we went there in the past and look what happened!

the trouble is with social workers is that (a) they do a generally bad job and (b) they think that throwing more money at the problem will fix it. It won't.

you may think you do a good job, but i am talking of the area as a whole. how does a case like Baby P happen? How can so many visits by so many social workers not result in the baby being taken into care? It would be different if you missed it completely, but you were aware of it and still missed it. then when found out, the typical public sector response is not to accept blame and blame others and say it was a lack of money. trash - it was a lack of ability by the overpaid staff.

Yes, i know this is one case, but i know, from my job that there hundreds if not thousands of similar, if not worse cases of neglect by social workers.

and as for a bonus - why on earth should any public sector worker get a bonus????? a bonus is paid when a company has done well and there are excess PROFITS. those profits are then distributed to the staff responsible for generating the profits.

YOU ARE JUST A COST TO ME. there is no way you should get a bonus.

Snooze

_shel wrote: »

A bit harsh! I work in public sector because as a social worker it's where I can do the work I'm qualified to do.

My wage is certinly not over inflated for the work I do, I get paid no overtime despite working it unlike the private sector. Instead I get flexi time so I dont end up working a 50+ hr week for 35hr pay!

Nor do I get bonuses unlike the private sector despite very good apraisals, meeting targets and going above and beyond the call of duty. Despite this I do it because it gives me job satisfaction.

Ok so joe public was not asked if they wanted to pay my wages out of their tax. Who do you suggest should carry out the work with those unable to help themselves? Priests and nuns maybe, oh no we went there in the past and look what happened!

Social workers - another bunch of wasters sticking their fat beaks into other people's business. Ever single social worker should be sacked. :mad:

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andyroberts1967 wrote: »

The_White_Horse wrote: »

lemonjelly wrote: »

So, can anyone tell me why there is such a blood lust amongst the private sector workers on here against the public sector?



Another balanced viewpoint from the white horse there I see :rotfl::rotfl:

people work in the public sector because (a) they are not good enough to be in the private sector or (b) because the have left wing tendancies.

Confused here, if the public sector had all the perks, job security and superior pay why does it only attract the ones that are not good enough for private industry

ILW

_shel wrote: »

The_White_Horse wrote: »

lemonjelly wrote: »

So, can anyone tell me why there is such a blood lust amongst the private sector workers on here against the public sector?



A bit harsh! I work in public sector because as a social worker it's where I can do the work I'm qualified to do.

My wage is certinly not over inflated for the work I do, I get paid no overtime despite working it unlike the private sector. Instead I get flexi time so I dont end up working a 50+ hr week for 35hr pay!

Nor do I get bonuses unlike the private sector despite very good apraisals, meeting targets and going above and beyond the call of duty. Despite this I do it because it gives me job satisfaction.

Ok so joe public was not asked if they wanted to pay my wages out of their tax. Who do you suggest should carry out the work with those unable to help themselves? Priests and nuns maybe, oh no we went there in the past and look what happened!

How many managers, team leaders, press officers etc are there in you social services dept, who never get to see a troubled child or family?

JasonLVC

lemonjelly wrote: »

So, can anyone tell me why there is such a blood lust amongst the private sector workers on here against the public sector?

Is it a relief that the private sector seems to be moving away from job cuts? Is it to divert attention away from the private sector, the grants & tax breaks it gets, the income it takes out of the system & profits from at taxpayers expense from PFI or subcontracting work from public bodies?

I don't think there is any 'blood lust' in the real world LemonJ. There might be some here on the forums, but forums tend to boil down to black and white opinions.

The perceived 'blood lust' might be that the private sector has already gone through the pain process last year - many firms making redundancies, pay freezes, final salary pensions being denied, cancelled bonus', etc.

Meanwhile, the public sector has been arguing for pay increases, refusal to change pension scheme, stories of civil servants earning bonus' when their deparment has failed targets, etc.

Maybe it is just the pure economic fact that the state cannot continue to spend money it hasn't got.

Finally, do public sector job losses have an air of 'race card' to it. What I mean is that when you try to discuss immigration on the forums (or even in parliment), the race card was played instantly to quash discussion. I suspect public sector pay cuts are the 'new' immigrants and how dare anyone talk about cutting public sector jobs - you must be some sort of facist/capitalist Pig!:D

As the topic becomes more and more taboo, the more frustrations it develops amongst those with a voice that is not heard.

marklv

worldtraveller wrote: »

More than 725,000 public sector jobs are expected to be lost in the next four years under the coalition’s plans to cut the deficit, a senior economist will warn today.

John Philpott, chief economic adviser at the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development, says that the Government’s determination to use mainly spending cuts rather than tax rises to cut the deficit will halt any recovery in the jobs market.

Dr Philpott will predict that the measures outlined so far will push unemployment up to nearly 3 million by 2012 where it is likely to stay till the end of the Parliament.

The bulk of the jobs will go in the public sector with 350,000 town hall posts set to be axed. But given the scale of the cutbacks to be proposed, hundreds of thousands of job losses are also likely among NHS managers and teaching support staff.

TimesOnline

If this happens, which I very much doubt, it will ruin the economy totally. Putting over half a million more people on the dole isn't going to achieve anything or even save much money. I think a five year recruitment freeze and compulsory early retitrements for the over 55s would largely solve the problem without a jobs massacre. Massive job cuts will not really save that much as redundancy payouts and benefit payments will be hugely expensive, so what's the point? I'm sure that a cost-benefit analysis would confirm this. Better to reduce numbers steadily and slowly through natural wastage.

JasonLVC

lemonjelly wrote: »

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Is it a relief that the private sector seems to be moving away from job cuts? Is it to divert attention away from the private sector, the grants & tax breaks it gets, the income it takes out of the system & profits from at taxpayers expense from PFI or subcontracting work from public bodies?

To generalist a statement I think LemonJ.

You're assuming that ALL private sector business gets grants, tax breaks and work in PFI construction. They do not.

There are certainly grants designed to stimulate growth or invesment for small, start-up or medium sized firms and big grants to foreign manufacturers to setup shop in the UK - but then there are grants for food when you're pregnant or for clothing and grants given to charities to run drop-in centres for ethnic minorities or disabled people, etc.

We all get tax breaks too - allowances, PAYE thresholds, benefits for those who don't work, ISA's, etc.

PFI/Subcontract work is a big drain on public sector resources - they need each other for sure, but to win government contracts is so much hassle only the big boys can afford it and that means they charge more. Why does Capita get every IT contract when a medium sized IT firm in Cardiff could do an equally good job?