can a repair man let himself in?

Wee_Willy_Harris

Oh, and John Christie was a landlord too!

Wee_Willy_Harris

And Fred + Rosemary West.

clutton_2

cant get rid of this blue smiley.. sorry wrong one chosen accidentally


i do not condone any of these - of course i dont - but i see you have only been able to find american examples....

my argument is that like most things the last labour government did with LL&T legislation ...(and other areas of law also) they much prefer to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut




me - i prefer the nutty approach.....

especially the nutella approach :rotfl:

clutton_2

reference to the Wests is really inappropriate here WWH ...

Wee_Willy_Harris

Non UK examples are easier to find because of our privact laws and the tethers that (so far) exist on the press. But I did dig out a couple of notable UK examples too.

Whilst I can understand your shreaks of "CRB MADNESS", it's worth noting that such things as CRB checks have only become viable as the technology has allowed. Eventually, CRB will be a status, not a check, and it will become more pro-active rather than something to be renewed every couple of years. How many times do you read in a paper about some miscreant being put in a position he/she could take criminal advantage of and thought to yourself "Why don't they check these things".... In much the same way you carry out reference checks on tenants.

clutton_2

i have been CRB checked about 4 times in my life ... on each occasion it was because i was having close contact, on a regular basis, sometimes physical contact, with children or adults with severe learning difficulties. ... i didn't mind that... even tho i was being supervised up to the hilt...

with tenants' children.. i am never going to be alone with them.... why should i have to pay for a CRB check ? Why are tenants not responsible for their own children...? after all i have no "right of entry" to the property.. so on a scale of 1-10 what risk do i represent to those children ?

re vulnerable adults.. i have housed about 4 in the last 5 years, and at NO time has probation or social services suggested that i get CRB checked.. its a very grey area......

any uk court cases of landlord-abuse to be found will be reported just with the names of the youngsters not revealed... BabyP for example....

franklee

clutton wrote: »

CRB checks for landlords - when did you ever read of a case where a LL sexually abused a tenants' child...... come on... find me a case study ??

clutton wrote: »

i do not condone any of these - of course i dont - but i see you have only been able to find american examples....

Not sure what you're trying to show wanting one case but here's a couple of UK stories I found after a quick search:

Sex abuser will be sent back to Plymouth this summer
http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Sex-abuser-sent-UK-summer/article-2073711-detail/article.html
Extracts:
"Daniel Tapper, aged 53, and his partner, landlord Alfred Palmer, both skipped British justice some time after May 2006 following the halting of a trial which saw them accused of sexually abusing young men."
...
"During the trial the court heard how Palmer, of Alcester Street, Stoke, would hold 'intrusive interviews' with prospective tenants, forcing them to strip before he took photographs of them.

Palmer was sentenced to five years in jail, while Tapper, who indecently assaulted a 16-year-old boy Palmer had already abused, received a three-year sentence."
Also reported here:
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5751.html/

Landlord guilty of sex abuse
http://beta.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Landlord-guilty-sex-abuse/article-770160-detail/article.html
Extract:"A PROPERTY landlord from Torquay has been convicted of sexually abusing a teenage schoolboy after grooming him."
(We're not told how the LL knows the teenage boy in this case).

HTH

clutton_2

so we have 2 uk examples and as a result the antil landlord-brigade want ALL landlords to be CRB checked at their own expense.... yet another barking mad OTT idea from - not worthy of you at all

sledgehammers and nuts

Wee_Willy_Harris

You missunderstand the whole ratrionale behind CRB checks. They are not done to incriminate people, they are not done to establish guilt, they are not done to get peoples backs up. They are done to protect those who are unable to protect themselves.

You know better than most that LLs come into contact with a wide variety of tenants, some of whom may be vulnerable. As such, they are at the mercy of unscrupulous LLs. Frankly, the sooner those landlords are taken out of the game, the better for the rest of you and your profession as a whole.

clutton_2

i have just had a closer look at the 3 links provided by franklee... the first two relate to the same case, and the last one does not say that the LL abused one of his tenants......

CRB is a mass hysteria thing... it did not stop young Jessica and her chum being killed by Ian at Sougham......

CRB in itself will not stop peedoes .... they are some of the most cunning and evil people on this planet as fas as i am concerned..

what WILL stop peedoes is parental responsibility...

do you know where your kids are
what they are watching on the tele and on the computer
have you met all their freinds and their parents

the fact that this one Plymouth case shows that these peedoes have been tracked down and found them guilty indicates that the systems which are in place do indeed work