Real life MMD: Do I punish the cleaner?

rapido

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poet123

rapido wrote: »

Life doesn't work like that.

The assumption is that everyone is totally honest, and nothing will ever go missing. Sounds good in theory, right?

But when you've got a huge disparity between the disposable income of vain Britons who can enjoy a lazy holiday on the beach at their leisure, and that of them forrin untermenschen that have to feed their families by scrubbing and cleaning dozens of hotel rooms at a ridiculous pace and a terrible wage and still feign smiles on their faces, then you can see why some think it might be justified for someone to nick such things that they would never otherwise have a chance to have.



Yeah £50 maybe just about, but £200? or £480? For Hades' sake. And to take on holiday? If you really have hundreds of pounds of make up and toiletries, then what's the point of going on holiday in the first place? You can spend each day in front of your bathroom mirror at a lower cost at home.

-rapido

So because some people spend money on toiletries it is their fault they are stolen by chambermaids who are low paid? If people (who may save all year for that lazy 2 weeks on the beach) didn't go to these places would that be better? Would there still be jobs, service industry.

Does this ideology apply to all luxuries? You go on a driving holiday in your pride and joy, it breaks down, so the mechanic (who is paid a pittance in that foreign land) decides to steal it and sell off the parts....not a problem, you should have used a bike.

You take an expensive camera in for repair, it goes missing, not a problem, the staff are so poorly paid it is to be understood, you should have used a disposable, etc etc.

We all spend our disposable income as we see fit, that does not give anyone, anywhere carte blanche to steal it just because they earn less than us. You may disapprove of that level of spending on toiletries, others may disapprove of how you choose to spend your income, and consider it frivolous or unecessary. Thankfully we are not all the same, but most of us would not say that because you have an expensive car etc, you deserve to lose it because others are not so lucky.

I think there is a name for that ideology, and it has not been proven wholly sucessful worldwide.

rapido

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shellsuit

rapido, what are your thoughts on someone who takes £300 worth of toiletries with them on holiday, but who doesn't drink alcohol, compared to someone else, who takes £20 worth of toiletries, and spends £50 on booze every night?

That's £350 in a week spend on booze! I know I'd rather have something to show for my cash.

And what about people who travel with expensive cameras, or camcorders and mobile phones etc?

Are they asking for their things to be nicked too?

poet123

rapido wrote: »

Maybe not, but to the chambermaid who took the £200 toiletries bag (if she really did take it and it wasn't just innocently put in the bin), I say "go girl! go girl!".

I can just imagine her getting home, opening the bag (probably the size of a cupboard unless they are all branded e.g. "Chanel", "Ralph Lauren" etc) and keeping a few items for herself, and selling the rest amongst her friends at great discount. Everyone's a winner except the person who spent £200 on toiletries, but if you can afford it, you can also afford to lose it. Especially if you leave it idly lying around a hotel room.

-rapido

I hope you apply that philosopy to your own possessions, and as they say what goes around comes around. At least I hope so.

Come back and tell me you feel the same when you have been robbed, mugged or ripped off through your own fault, or put another way for having the temerity to have nice things you have worked hard for.:D I would bet you will feel differntly then, but of course the rule probably only applies to others;)

freyasmum

rapido wrote: »

Life doesn't work like that.

The assumption is that everyone is totally honest, and nothing will ever go missing. Sounds good in theory, right?

But when you've got a huge disparity between the disposable income of vain Britons who can enjoy a lazy holiday on the beach at their leisure, and that of them forrin untermenschen that have to feed their families by scrubbing and cleaning dozens of hotel rooms at a ridiculous pace and a terrible wage and still feign smiles on their faces, then you can see why some think it might be justified for someone to nick such things that they would never otherwise have a chance to have.

No actually, I can't justify theft!

It still doesn't make it my fault, it doesn't actually matter how much the toiletries bag and it's contents cost, it's the principle of the thing.

Yeah £50 maybe just about, but £200? or £480? For Hades' sake. And to take on holiday? If you really have hundreds of pounds of make up and toiletries, then what's the point of going on holiday in the first place? You can spend each day in front of your bathroom mirror at a lower cost at home.

-rapido

Without getting into the specifics, cos I don't wanna totally bore you senseless My favourite cleanser is almost £80 (though if you shop around, and with codes, you can sometimes get it for £60 :j), but it lasts for at LEAST 6 months, the one I'm currently using is £8.75, lasts a month if you're lucky and doesn't make my skin look anywhere near as good as the more expensive one. What I'm trying to say is that because one product is more expensive to buy in the first place doesn't mean that it's any worse for value.


Honestly? What does the amount I choose to spend on cosmetics have to do with whether or not I go on holiday? I don't spend every minute in front of the mirror, far from it. I just have tried and tested favourite products. I use them because they work and I like them - and they don't take any more time to apply than cheap ones.. less in fact, cos you're not always in front of the mirror reapplying cos they've melted off your face in five minutes;) Now that WOULD be a waste of a holiday!

shellsuit

rapido wrote: »

Maybe not, but to the chambermaid who took the £200 toiletries bag (if she really did take it and it wasn't just innocently put in the bin), I say "go girl! go girl!".

I can just imagine her getting home, opening the bag (probably the size of a cupboard unless they are all branded e.g. "Chanel", "Ralph Lauren" etc) and keeping a few items for herself, and selling the rest amongst her friends at great discount. Everyone's a winner except the person who spent £200 on toiletries, but if you can afford it, you can also afford to lose it. Especially if you leave it idly lying around a hotel room.

-rapido

That's a downright horrid thing to say.

I think you're just jealous!

freyasmum

rapido wrote: »

Maybe not, but to the chambermaid who took the £200 toiletries bag (if she really did take it and it wasn't just innocently put in the bin), I say "go girl! go girl!".

I can just imagine her getting home, opening the bag (probably the size of a cupboard unless they are all branded e.g. "Chanel", "Ralph Lauren" etc) and keeping a few items for herself, and selling the rest amongst her friends at great discount. Everyone's a winner except the person who spent £200 on toiletries, but if you can afford it, you can also afford to lose it. Especially if you leave it idly lying around a hotel room.

-rapido

That is an awful thing to say! Why is it ok to spend money on some things but it's outrageous to spend it on other things?

And why can I afford to lose it!? If it was a camera, would I just shrug it off and say, it's only a few hundred quid and holiday pics of my kids - I'll just get a new one. Erm, no!

rapido

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poet123

rapido wrote: »

Can't think anyone would nick anything from my hotel room... If they did, they would probably break in the next day and put it back! If I was rich enough to waste money like others in this thread, I would get over the loss. It's material stuff, easily replaced. And it might be just giving someone else happiness.



Do people leave such things in plastic bags in their hotel rooms whilst they are out? I would've thought they'd be taking them with them during the day.



Is your holiday at least 6 months? More like 6 days surely! How does the cleanser come? In a bottle? Just decant a sufficient amount in a tiny travel container. You save space and weight, and less risk someone will nick an anonymous little bottle. If you really have to take branded expensive stuff, then surely lock them in your suitcase, out of sight and less likely to be nicked! Or is this not common sense?

-rapido

Leave your front door open tonight then......