ex working cash in hand

Kimitatsu

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Can I just remind you all gently that this is not a general discussion thread? The OP was asking if she could get a reassessment on the basis he was working for cash in hand - the answer to that is, you can but the onus of proof lies on you not him.

The PWC is just trying to get what she is legally entitled to not take the shirt from his back. None of you know how much she is currently neing paid, it could be at a flat rate of £5 a week and the cash in hand could make the assessment £25 a week, a considerable difference to the PWC.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I will not have flaming on the boards nor it turning into a general free for all.

Thanks

DUTR

Kimitatsu wrote: »

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Can I just remind you all gently that this is not a general discussion thread? The OP was asking if she could get a reassessment on the basis he was working for cash in hand - the answer to that is, you can but the onus of proof lies on you not him.

The PWC is just trying to get what she is legally entitled to not take the shirt from his back. None of you know how much she is currently neing paid, it could be at a flat rate of £5 a week and the cash in hand could make the assessment £25 a week, a considerable difference to the PWC.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I will not have flaming on the boards nor it turning into a general free for all.

Thanks

The extra earnings is not legal earnings, so therefore technically it is not available for assesment. As mentioned on other threads and in this post, the PWC can apply for re-assesment, there is nowhere this thread can go but off topic and into a discussion, as the real answers are available everywhere.
Posters are never going to see eye to eye on this topic.
We don't know the NRPs situation either as chances are he won't be eligible for housing benifts or CTC or WTC, so his only options maybe to do as he is or go onto benefits where then he pays just £5 pw and gets help with other stuff from the state.
At the end of the day, no child has lost their life through lack of child support from the NRP.
Sometimes it's best to just let sleeping dogs lay.

lynzpower

welshmoneylover wrote: »

Times are hard right now, what's wrong with earning some extra cash to pay his bills?

You dont think theres any thing wrong with not paying tax!?!!?

mitchaa

skintvix wrote: »

Hi all was wondering anyone can help me out, The ex works extra hours ontop of what he has declared to the CSA I know he earns bout £100 extra cash in hand, is there anything I can do about this?

Yes, stop being so bl*ody bitter and get on with your own life as opposed to sticking your nose into someone elses.

If he is working cash in hand there is sod all the CSA can do about it, it's a police issue.

It's just the same as a single mum on benefits cutting their friends hair for £20 or so and not declaring it. I know quite a few girls do this and can make quite a bit, £100-150pw or so cash in hand. No-one bats an eye lid, but because the shoe is on the other foot now and you want more money from him then all hell breaks loose.

Move on and stop being so bitter and jealous.

Sunshine12

I cant believe some of these replies!! Why would the OP be jealous of someone committing fraud? I cant believe there are people actually condoning this behaviour and suggesting that its ok because people are struggling, times are hard or because someone is a single parent!! !!!!!!!!!

Skint_Lynne

I feel your pain OP. A friend of mine had(s) a rather messy split going on with her ex - he is the most unreasonable and horrible person going around. Anyway, he got voluntary redundancy from his job to the tune of around £13-15,000. My friend did not get a penny from this - as he was split up with her at the time of going through.

He is driving a taxi now, and he gives the grand total of £5 per week, (when he bothers to pay it).

Now, if you were truly on the breadline and not able to pay anymore, then that's fair enough...............but, this one can afford to go on holiday, get tattoos all over his body, drink to excess (yes, he is a taxi driver and drinks lots), and take his bit on the side out all the time. So, I think that he can afford more than a fiver to help pay for his child.

Before anyone gets on their soapbox, I do realise that everyone's circumstances are different and that this person may be totally different from other people - this is my friend's experience but I happen to think that it is unfair.

To answer your actual question, my friend has given all the relevent details to the CSA, but she has also been told that she needs to prove that he is working more than he says he is - nigh on impossible. They did acknowledge that he had this redundancy money, but reminded her that the wee one was not entitled to any of it.

markeymark

technically he is commiting fraud, happened to me with PWC, i reported nowt got done about it, might not help you get a higher assessment but go for it anyway, he should be paying the correct amount, regardless of anything else

PlayingHardball

skintvix wrote: »

it's a new claim, only been in place for a few weeks so I know he's not declared it and in fact he has admitted that he knows he's not paying as much to the children as he should, so can I just ring them and tell them about it? how will they look into it because neither he nor his employer are obviously going to admitt it.

Try 'kindly' reminding him that what he is doing is fraudulent, and suggest that before inland revenue 'get wind' of it, he really should declare ALL income to the CSA, should they 'just' happen to perform a reassessment in the next wee while. Obviously, you'll keep the reason for the reassessment on the QT.

Obviously that won't work, but in an ideal world, these guys would want to do what was right for their kids! .....rather then putting their own needs first. (as shockingly suggested by a few in this thread!)

Question: I would like to ask other experienced forum ladies and gents. Could the OP put in a variation application based on 'undeclared income'? I know the CSA case opened just very recent, but at least this way, the CSA would be forced to go into further detail to support an application?

Just a thought

DUTR

PlayingHardball wrote: »

Try 'kindly' reminding him that what he is doing is fraudulent, and suggest that before inland revenue 'get wind' of it, he really should declare ALL income to the CSA, should they 'just' happen to perform a reassessment in the next wee while. Obviously, you'll keep the reason for the reassessment on the QT.

Obviously that won't work, but in an ideal world, these guys would want to do what was right for their kids! .....rather then putting their own needs first. (as shockingly suggested by a few in this thread!)
Just a thought

Inland Revenue Services carry more power than the CSA, so could well leave the NRP paying less due to higher tax

Soubrette

mitchaa wrote: »

Yes, stop being so bl*ody bitter and get on with your own life as opposed to sticking your nose into someone elses.

If he is working cash in hand there is sod all the CSA can do about it, it's a police issue.

It's just the same as a single mum on benefits cutting their friends hair for £20 or so and not declaring it. I know quite a few girls do this and can make quite a bit, £100-150pw or so cash in hand. No-one bats an eye lid, but because the shoe is on the other foot now and you want more money from him then all hell breaks loose.

Move on and stop being so bitter and jealous.

No one bats an eyelid? I read this forum regularly and I see PWCs asked not to deny their NRP access by both NRPs and PWC, I see male PWCs asking for advice and being given advice by both NRPs and PWCs, I see NRPs asking about issues re maintenance and being given advice by both NRPs and PWCs. Unfortunately I see a small number of posters who are almost invariable men make posts such as yourselves. These posters rarely offer help to the female PWC and are much more likely to make snide remarks about them on a regular basis such as both of your posts in this thread. If it's a male PWC they are often told how biased it is here even though previous and subsequent posts show that that is not the case.

I refer you to this post I made on another board as an example of how at least some of us are able to not automatically side with our own sex. I look forward to seeing some maturity from those who cannot perhaps in the next few years.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/32906791#Comment_32906791 (It's post #58 in case it doesn't quite open right)

I would also ask that both you and Dissillusioned have a look at your past posts and ask yourselves honestly how unbiased your advice is and how that distorts your personalities and behaviour.

Sou