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Guess who is not voting Lib Dem next election

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  • ninky_2
    ninky_2 Posts: 5,872 Forumite
    Soubrette wrote: »
    The LibDems want PR for the simple reason that they get roughly a quarter of the votes each time translated to less than 10% of the seats.

    Now whether those votes will stay the same with PR in place is another thing.

    AV is a stepping stone to PR

    Sou

    not really. they are quite different things. pr means a parties total national vote is represented proportionally in parliament. av means the least worst alternative gets over represented (guess the lib dems are hoping that is them).
    Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron
  • Soubrette
    Soubrette Posts: 4,118 Forumite
    ninky wrote: »
    not really. they are quite different things. pr means a parties total national vote is represented proportionally in parliament. av means the least worst alternative gets over represented (guess the lib dems are hoping that is them).

    Reform is reform, and to even get away from the idea of FPTP is progress - personally I'd prefer PR but I'd prefer AV over FPTP. I remember reading that most countries with some form of PR went through a period of AV but how true that is I do not know.

    No comment on Japan and Keynsian Economics then :p

    Sou
  • tomterm8
    tomterm8 Posts: 5,892 Forumite
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    Soubrette wrote: »
    No comment on Japan and Keynsian Economics then :p

    Sou

    Japan's economy was FUBARed long before it tried out 'Keynsian Economics', and when it did try 'Keynsian Economics' it did so half heartedly and ineffectively. It is hard to know what the state of play would have been if it had not done 'Keynsian Economics'. But, given the scale of its banking problems, I think it would not have been pretty.
    “The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
    ― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens
  • ninky_2
    ninky_2 Posts: 5,872 Forumite
    Soubrette wrote: »
    Reform is reform, and to even get away from the idea of FPTP is progress - personally I'd prefer PR but I'd prefer AV over FPTP. I remember reading that most countries with some form of PR went through a period of AV but how true that is I do not know.

    No comment on Japan and Keynsian Economics then :p

    Sou

    why would i comment on that in reply to a post on pr???? am i missing something?
    Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron
  • Spartacus_Mills
    Spartacus_Mills Posts: 5,545 Forumite
    de1amo wrote: »
    i think the next vote will be totally polarised and tories never have voted liberals but liberal voters have been portrayed will go to labour--i dont think this arrangement will last long-if it does the tories will have to do all the dirty work about the economy and they will be more unpopular than the lot that have just lost-
    -they dont like PR because it would mean a democracy where the 2 main parties dont pass the power to each other--a lot of people want to now vote green and it would ignite such parties to action --the Lib dems place in politics is now vacant


    !!!!!! are you talking about.

    The Lib Dems are far more relevant now than they have ever been. We are now part of the government. Ruling with Labour in Scotland did not harm us, ruling locally with all parties up and down the country has not done us any harm. This reflects well on us. I am sure bitter labour voters will be upset and clowns like you. I do not give two hoots about that.

    I do care about people like TomTerm being annoyed enough to not vote for the Party again as he, like me, has our best interests at heart we just have a different vision of how to get there.
    "There's no such thing as Macra. Macra do not exist."
    "I could play all day in my Green Cathedral".
    "The Centuries that divide me shall be undone."
    "A dream? Really, Doctor. You'll be consulting the entrails of a sheep next. "
  • Spartacus_Mills
    Spartacus_Mills Posts: 5,545 Forumite
    Rumoured that Steve Webb, the incredibly bright MP for Thornbury and Yate is joining the government as a Minister at the Dept of Work and Pensions. That is a superb appointment if true. No one, bar possibly Frank Field, has such a detailed knowledge of that area.

    I am disappointed Jeremy Browne is going to the FCO and not the Treasury and what of Ed Davey ?

    It is all, still, very exciting.
    "There's no such thing as Macra. Macra do not exist."
    "I could play all day in my Green Cathedral".
    "The Centuries that divide me shall be undone."
    "A dream? Really, Doctor. You'll be consulting the entrails of a sheep next. "
  • tomterm8
    tomterm8 Posts: 5,892 Forumite
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    Rumoured that Steve Webb, the incredibly bright MP for Thornbury and Yate .

    Hm, that's going to be an interesting one, he's working with two thoroughly right wing tories... isn't Mr Webb supposed to be on the left side of the party?
    “The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
    ― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens
  • Soubrette
    Soubrette Posts: 4,118 Forumite
    Rumoured that Steve Webb, the incredibly bright MP for Thornbury and Yate is joining the government as a Minister at the Dept of Work and Pensions. That is a superb appointment if true. No one, bar possibly Frank Field, has such a detailed knowledge of that area.

    I am disappointed Jeremy Browne is going to the FCO and not the Treasury and what of Ed Davey ?

    It is all, still, very exciting.

    I had heard (probably in the tabloids) that the leadership of the libdems didn't like Steve Webb much? rumourmongering?

    Tom - that's one interpretation of the Japanese situation - they weren't Keynsian enough but nonetheless, despite huge amounts of public spending they are not out of their 'recession' as yet.

    Sou
  • PhylPho
    PhylPho Posts: 1,443 Forumite
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    de1amo wrote: »
    i think the next vote will be totally polarised and tories never have voted liberals but liberal voters have been portrayed will go to labour-->
    >--a lot of people want to now vote green and it would ignite such parties to action --the Lib dems place in politics is now vacant

    If you voted LibDem this time, then you're obviously unhappy with your decision. If you didn't, then announcing the end of the LibDems seems to be conditioned more by prejudice than perspective.

    There's now anecdotal evidence aplenty to suggest *not* that there are hordes of newly signed up voters who now regard themselves as LibDems, but hordes of voters who, at this GE but none before it, ticked the LibDem box by way of seeking to deny absolute power to either New Labour or the Tories.

    As one such 'power denyer', I'm very happy so far with the way things have gone and are continuing to go. I don't see any need to start predicting, now, the complete demise of Labour in the future. Or of any other party.

    History shows that sunny dawns can quickly give way to stormy mornings (where New Labour was concerned, the dark cloud cast by a certain Bernie Ecclestone's £1 million cheque.)

    What will happen tomorrow where the current coalition is concerned, I've no idea. For now though, politics has actually become interesting again -- perhaps to many who have been disenchanted, or apathetic, for too long -- as well as engaging: Gordon Brown's departure was impressively dignified, David Cameron's and Nick Clegg's arrival impressively mature.
  • Spartacus_Mills
    Spartacus_Mills Posts: 5,545 Forumite
    Soubrette wrote: »
    I had heard (probably in the tabloids) that the leadership of the libdems didn't like Steve Webb much? rumourmongering?

    Tom - that's one interpretation of the Japanese situation - they weren't Keynsian enough but nonetheless, despite huge amounts of public spending they are not out of their 'recession' as yet.

    Sou

    I would not believe all you hear.
    "There's no such thing as Macra. Macra do not exist."
    "I could play all day in my Green Cathedral".
    "The Centuries that divide me shall be undone."
    "A dream? Really, Doctor. You'll be consulting the entrails of a sheep next. "
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