Kleeneeze or Betterware?

geordie_joe

LazyBoy wrote: »

Not enough to be a problem. If you expand in a circle then by geometry each additional unit of radius from home base brings, by proportion, an ever increasing area of activity within reach (by a factor of pi).

And the larger the area the more it costs to get round it. Even if you use a bike it still cost time and energy.

Lets do the maths.

Suppose you start with a radius of 1, lets call the unit of measure a mile to make it easy.

If you start with a circle of 1 mile radius you have an area of 3.1415927 square miles.

If you increase the radius by 1 unit you now have an area of 12.5663708 square miles.

Increase by another unit and you have 28.2743343 square miles.

Increase again and you have 50.2654832 square miles.

That's a lot of area to cover.

So, here are the questions.

In your 7 years how many times have you increased your area?

Have you thought this through properly?

Honest_John_666

OH DEAR OH DEAR..... how did I know this was going to invigorate this thread oh..........& a new poster again..........hmmmm

7 years & you've only come across 3 other agents to do the same area as you..........you must be VERY VERY VERY VERY LUCKY. Have you threatened them/beaten them up to keep away which is what some KZE agents do???

With Betterware there is no limit in how much area you can have so pls get your facts right & tell your upline to get their facts right. How far away from your home address do you travel then???

Haven't been on here much so good news to hear KZE are venturing into Spain. That's going to be as good as Holland & Germany. Ha ha!!!

Rumours are also USA too. Christ do all you lot really believe all this BS???

Will be great to see the FACTS again when Findel releases their trading statements

The MD was got rid off as a cost cutting exercise. Cant really trim any more wages any more can they???

INTERESTING FACT & VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND is that Betterware..... yes that's the people who stop people putting out books because they decide to manage all areas.......... are moving into a MLM type of role. Very new & yes it will be area managed. This will if they get it right be FAR OUTSTRIP anything KLZ can offer & as ever it will be completely FREE OF CHARGE

Cant wait for the responses

Regards
Honest John

LazyBoy

Well Geordie Joe that's the point. You get a big increase in area for only a small additional distance from home. I've been increasing my area gradually and continuously.

I have thought this through. I am 62 and I only have to keep doing this until I get my pension at the end of 2015. I can easily do that.

Honest John 666 I did not say I had only seen three agents. I said I had only seen three which turned up more than twice. In total I have seen dozens but they appear and immediately vanish again.

I'm sorry Honest john I didn't know that about Betterware. My information is pretty old. I was also told they get 12.5 percent flat rate. All pointless now if there is a new regime coming at Betterware. When will we find out the details?

OldGreyFox

Delivering by bike !!! Possibly the guy who claimed he did that who use the big up Kleeneze here http://www.squidoo.com/why-kleeneze-can-make-you-cry before he was shot down in flames.

Honest_John_666

Good site & some decent banter BUT not much on here from KLZ. Heard they were on Twitter but nothing of any interest

I liked this.......

Things you should know

don't make any hasty decisions

If you are considering joining kleeneze as a distributor, you need to be aware of the following:

• You have to buy the catalogues
• You will lose catalogues to bad weather and not being returned
• You have to package each catalogue
• You need to print off lots of slips (such as when you are going to collect, missed delivery, missed collection...)
• To get free delivery for goods you need a minimum order value of £150, otherwise incur a delivery charge
• There is an internet charge of £7.65 per month for you to order goods online
• You will be responsible for delivery of the goods to your customers. You will find sometimes customers will not always be at home to deliver to.
• You will have to handle out of stocks and returned items
• You may get pressured to go to meetings and events at a charge
• You may get pressured to buying a voicemail service at a monthly charge
• You may not get the average order of £1 per book, in many cases it is less
• When servicing a built up 'customer base' you will most probably not get the £12 per book that is claimed
• When looking to build a team, expect 1 in 10 to sign up
• 9 in 10 of people you sign up will drop out very soon, most without placing any orders
• Recruiting is an expensive activity, that takes extra time (you have to generate leads, arrrange meetings, sign people up, help them out etc..)
• You will have to do accounts and a self assesment tax return each year - as with any business
• Income cheques shown to you do not include business expenses or tax
• After 3-5 years many people are still struggling to sustain a team and income.
• It is important to realise that the people looking to sponsor you are acting primarily in their own interests.

I can probably add to this list!!!

OldGreyFox

Have heard that Kleeneze have had to close down there Dutch,German Operations ,and the Spanish (Trial) until further notice as they were breaching EU laws.EG: Instructions/Warnings need to be in relevant countries language.Especially when selling hazadous items things like cleaning products.

Honest_John_666

OldGreyFox wrote: »

Have heard that Kleeneze have had to close down there Dutch,German Operations ,and the Spanish (Trial) until further notice as they were breaching EU laws.EG: Instructions/Warnings need to be in relevant countries language.Especially when selling hazadous items things like cleaning products.

Oh dear that would be a shame

Haven't heard that & TBH not a lot is heard about them. My contact @ Betterware says they dont very rarly see much of them anymore

Think Findels report is out @ the end of May so we should see the figures & from what I'm told I reckon they could be as much as another 10% down on the year before

Oh dear & good riddanace

jacqui222

After reading through this thread, I'm horrified by some of the people on here.

Do you get off on putting people down and demoralising them?

There's one word for people like them: BULLY!!

Honest_John_666

jacqui222 wrote: »

After reading through this thread, I'm horrified by some of the people on here.

Do you get off on putting people down and demoralising them?

There's one word for people like them: BULLY!!

I must a bully then :cool:

KZE, the company, I dont like them & the way they operate. I dont liike the (text removed by MSE Forum Team) they come out with :mad:

Is that being a bully or is that a firts hnad opinion

Over to you! :T

Honest_John_666

Kleeneze figures are out on Findels website

NOT GOOD READING & SALES YET AGAIN BACKWARDS

HA HA BLOODY HA

Couldn't of picked a better time to join..I mean GET OUT!!!

Company going BUST & good riddance to the company