Kleeneeze or Betterware?

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Antispam wrote: »

You only ever post on here Pat many of us know your reasons. If you were a genuine user you would just sit he most of day waiting for some one to post, you would also contribute to other parts of the forum. The fact you dont makes us believe you have other intentions like recruiting

The other threads he posted to have been pulled , he was doing there what he does here, cause arguments because he can't stand any criticise at all.

I and many others have actually done kleeneze , and worked very hard, but customers didn't want the high priced often poorly made stuff and it cost much more to do than I was making so it just wasn't worth it.

I had all the time in the world too , so I could go round and round trying to get back the expensive books, I could endlessly knock on doors trying to catch folk in to deliver the stuff, several journeys to get a fiver soon eat up any profit.

I went to the meetings and listened to all the cultish rubbish and saw people blindly going along with it all as though their minds weren't working , kidding themselves they were going to be rich when they had holes in their clothes .

Now in this economic climate they want to push this on young people and the redundant , kleeneze make money on the books they have to buy and all the charges they levy.

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JennyJewell wrote: »

I'm still making £40-£50 a week 6 weeks in - not a fortune in most people's eyes but making a big difference to my family at the moment And yes they are repeat customers so they are obviously happy with their products, indeed I use a lot of the products myself, I'm personally loving our shampoo and conditioner
Jen

So tell me , how any books are these to make £200 a month? is this after ALL the online costs and fuel?

I put 200 books out twice a week and that took all week to do , doing nothing else. I barely made £200 after ALL expenses were taken out. Somne weeks I made more and it looked OK by=ut a week where the same work gets a fraction of the orders can wipe all that out in a flash.

You can't rely on this income and the time it takes is just daft , I would be better off knocking every door and asking if they wanted their gutters cleaned for £15 , indeed I got many iof the customers I now have from the kleenze round. They can see good work , they could also see cheap stuff sold expensive.

Most of the stuff in the book could be got in the bargain shops and supermarket - the same stuff same labels and everything. I wouldn't waste my money on the stuff, people ask for bedding plants I wouldn't give houseroom too but I sell them to them , the thing is others could see this stuff wasn't worth it.

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PatrickD wrote: »

Just seen this from the Managing Director, kinda sounds different from all the ''Kleeneze is doomed'' that you read on here:



Pat

Those figures mean nothing , had you actually done the research you'd see those figures are for new starters taken on , there is a special offer on at the moment which *wasn't* on this time last year. Many of the big distributors are really pushing at the moment and this cheap sign up is what they are using.

Says nothing in the end as most drop out, as was pointed out by Jeanette , 129 new sign ups only pushed a distributorship up a single gold level , 129 new sign ups, they still peddle that it can be done with 10!!!!!

PatrickD

Should_be_out_gardening wrote: »

Thats fine but when do posters like PatrickD ever get taken to task for insulting other posters? I have twice now told him that he has no right to tell others they are a failure at something they have done when he has only done it (by his own admission) for a week. ???

He is only here to back up posters who go round the forums pushing their other MLM businesses. He has been pivotal in three other threads that were taken down because they descended into off topic argument. That is what he is doing here , he wants to shut down any critisim and hopes to get the thread pulled.

If he insults me again I will make a formal complaint.

Dont worry, I wont insult you again. You were a complete success at Kleeneze, ok?

Pat

Disclaimer: I'm not here to recruit anyone or ask them to pm me.

PatrickD

Should_be_out_gardening wrote: »

So tell me , how any books are these to make £200 a month? is this after ALL the online costs and fuel?

I put 200 books out twice a week and that took all week to do , doing nothing else. I barely made £200 after ALL expenses were taken out. Somne weeks I made more and it looked OK by=ut a week where the same work gets a fraction of the orders can wipe all that out in a flash.

You can't rely on this income and the time it takes is just daft , I would be better off knocking every door and asking if they wanted their gutters cleaned for £15 , indeed I got many iof the customers I now have from the kleenze round. They can see good work , they could also see cheap stuff sold expensive.

Most of the stuff in the book could be got in the bargain shops and supermarket - the same stuff same labels and everything. I wouldn't waste my money on the stuff, people ask for bedding plants I wouldn't give houseroom too but I sell them to them , the thing is others could see this stuff wasn't worth it.

Before you make judgements, like you accuse me of doing, why dont you ask Jenny if she is happy with what she is doing?

Pat

Disclaimer: I'm not here to recruit anyone or ask them to pm me.

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CharlieBilly wrote: »

And you believe him (Jamie Stewart) or I see if from there FB page. It must be true then

Its a special off they didn't have last year so of course the big players are pushing it. mean nothing at all and is used here to prop up a poster who has no real experience if kleeneze methods and whose reson for posting must be in doubt.

Plus the share price of the company that own kleeneze are at 3.1p - from £18

PatrickD

Should_be_out_gardening wrote: »

Those figures mean nothing , had you actually done the research you'd see those figures are for new starters taken on , there is a special offer on at the moment which *wasn't* on this time last year. Many of the big distributors are really pushing at the moment and this cheap sign up is what they are using.

Says nothing in the end as most drop out, as was pointed out by Jeanette , 129 new sign ups only pushed a distributorship up a single gold level , 129 new sign ups, they still peddle that it can be done with 10!!!!!

''most people dropping out'' is quite normal with a MLM business. Its been that way with every company since MLM started 70 years ago.

Pat

Disclaimer: I'm not here to recruit anyone or ask them to pm me.

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PatrickD wrote: »

Dont worry, I wont insult you again. You were a complete success at Kleeneze, ok?

Pat

Disclaimer: I'm not here to recruit anyone or ask them to pm me.

No you won't insult me again , given the amount of threads pulled after your trouble making. Try it again and I report you.

Don't try to be funny . I won't have it.

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PatrickD wrote: »

Before you make judgements, like you accuse me of doing, why dont you ask Jenny if she is happy with what she is doing?

Pat

Disclaimer: I'm not here to recruit anyone or ask them to pm me.

Who is making judgements? not every post is about you you know.

Why on earth do I have to ask if she is happy ? what the hell is that to do with the viability of the work we are on about?

If you want a happy clappy MLM thread then start one.

Should_be_out_gardening

PatrickD wrote: »

''most people dropping out'' is quite normal with a MLM business. Its been that way with every company since MLM started 70 years ago.

Pat

Disclaimer: I'm not here to recruit anyone or ask them to pm me.

Shows how rubbish it all is then.

They say 10 people to make gold - do the research about kleeneze not any other company.