Kleeneeze or Betterware?

wongawonga

wongawonga wrote: »

EzeCook Party Plan kit is worth about £260 according to Kleeneze but you can join for £130 quid if you book 3 parties. Bargain eh, possibly not.

A lot of people take umbridge when posted a Kleeneze Cat .

I wonder what there reaction will be if asked would they like to attend or host a Kleeneze Party. Or want they be told until they turn up that Eze Party = Kleeneze Party.

PatrickD

wongawonga wrote: »

MD of Kleeneze twitters

"Do you watch The Apprentice & think "I could do better" I need serious self starters to build their own Multi Million £ business in the UK."


You would have thought that the Chairperson of the DSA should no better in sending out this out without mentioning the required wealth warning.

"Statutory Wealth Warning
It is illegal for a promoter or a participant in a trading scheme to persuade anyone to make a payment by promising
benefits from getting others to join a scheme. Do not be misled by claims that high earnings are easily achieved."

No wonder some of his distributors blatantly leave it out of ad,s

Not sure you have to send out that wealth warning when tweeting. I'm happy to be proven wrong though

Pat

NeverInDebt

wongawonga now you gone and done it you woken the MLM king the very PatrickD who is an expert on networking marketing so he claims

Should_be_out_gardening

wongawonga wrote: »

A lot of people take umbridge when posted a Kleeneze Cat .

I wonder what there reaction will be if asked would they like to attend or host a Kleeneze Party. Or want they be told until they turn up that Eze Party = Kleeneze Party.

The thing is just how many of these parties are they expecting folk to attend? To make any money in this game you need orders all the time not just one off's. No doubt in while someone will pop up and say *oh I made £100 doing a party* and no doubt the faithful will whoop and cheer about how good it is but the reality is they should be asking how much will you earn tomorrow and the next day and the next week. How many of these customers will just keep on buying week after week once the initial interest has died off or when they see the same stuff massively cheaper in the shops.

I wonder how many buy because they feel they *have* to ?

Should_be_out_gardening

PatrickD wrote: »

Not sure you have to send out that wealth warning when tweeting. I'm happy to be proven wrong though

Pat

So you think thats OK do you? you think that advert is OK?

PatrickD

Should_be_out_gardening wrote: »

So you think thats OK do you? you think that advert is OK?

I think its fantastic and will be using it myself.

Pat

Should_be_out_gardening

PatrickD wrote: »

You just have a different definition of rude to everyone else, thats all.


Oh so when anyone else talks they are being rude to you but it's OK for you to be rude to me is it? I put it to you that it is *YOU* who is the rude and argumentative one here. It hasn't escaped my notice that you spend a lot of time on these boards causing arguments - it won't have escaped a lot of peoples attention that you have been pivotal on several threads that the mods have seen fit to pull.

You arenn't the solution - you are the problem.

I didn't say I hadn't done Kleeneze, I have done it, just for a short time. I've also done plenty of research into it, which is very easy to do these days. Yes, I'll argue my point if my opinion is different to others, thats what forums are for. Unfortunately there are a few on here who don't like different opinions to their own, so they turn into arguments. I wasn't calling for mods to take action, someone reported me for spamming on a thread where I'm not even involved in that business, so I reported them to the mods. I have no problem with people saying anything against the business I'm in as long as its done in a way that doesn't involve calling us scammers, spammers and worse.

No you just can't take any criticism at all in any form what so ever , you and your entourage follow each other around backing each other up. Your knowledge of the day to day ACTUAL working of kleeneze is
minimal at best , your ** research** is nothing more than reading whats here and backing up your friends . You know nothing about the actual issues at all and your pathetic 20 yrs MLM you crow about count for NOTHING , little more than carpet bagging .

You HAVE called for mods to **have a word** when the heat got too much for you. They can see full well that you haven't done kleeneze for miore than a week so basically are talking rubbish. You are little more than a trouble maker.



Sorry but yes, you were a failure. You joined the company with whatever goals you had, to make a certain amount of money I presume, and you didn't reach those goals. You failed to reach them. Don't worry about the word ''failure'', everyone on this earth has failed at something.

YOU don't get to call ANYONE a failure if you haven't done the same amount of work yourself OK - least of all me OK . No more twisting words - YOU don't get to call me a failure pal OK?

There are people who get orders and make money from Kleeneze and there are people who dont. The company, the opportunity and the products are the same for all. Therefore the reason some fail and some make money is the person. If you don't like the products, then fine, its a great reason to give up (its the same reason I gave up), but dont go round like the rest on here saying its a bad business and it doesn't work, because it does....for others, who like the products and think they're a good price.

YOU haven't a bloody clue what goes on with kleenze any way so that lot there is all cobblers or worse.

Same as above. Some will make money, some won't. The business and products are exactly the same for everyone.



I have no problem with people telling others about their experiences, as long as they are honest enough to admit that it just wasn't for them instead of blaming the company and products, the same company and products that are providing success for others.


Tough bits as to what you do or don't have a problem with OK?


The way it works is they just keep recruiting loads of people to shift the stuff and as one stops another comes along and that how they make their money . Had you done it you'd know what we know .

But you havn't done it have you. you did a WEEK .

Should_be_out_gardening

PatrickD wrote: »

I think its fantastic and will be using it myself.

Pat

So you freely admit to being a fraudster then , says it all really .

BEWARE OF CLAIMS BY THOSE RECRUITING FOR MLM'S THEY CAN'T BE TRUSTED.

Should_be_out_gardening

wongawonga wrote: »

MD of Kleeneze twitters

"Do you watch The Apprentice & think "I could do better" I need serious self starters to build their own Multi Million £ business in the UK."


You would have thought that the Chairperson of the DSA should no better in sending out this out without mentioning the required wealth warning.

"Statutory Wealth Warning
It is illegal for a promoter or a participant in a trading scheme to persuade anyone to make a payment by promising
benefits from getting others to join a scheme. Do not be misled by claims that high earnings are easily achieved."

No wonder some of his distributors blatantly leave it out of ad,s

Like the way he calls it a business - wait ill any get anywhere near the top and they get sacked for trying to eke out their falling income . **Your** business my eye.

Should_be_out_gardening

Peter_Pan wrote: »

How long is a few months? We went through travelling across the Country almost every weekend, to meetings and spending our valuable "family" time at weekends away from the children and that is the one part of my experience with Kleeneze i regret because children do grow up and very quickly and i do feel i missed out on some of that.
BUT i have learnt from that and i did pick up some useful information at the meetings which is helping me now.
As for people getting nasty it sounds like you were in a poorly run team becuase not everyone is like that and it does sound as you were misled when you joined by being given false expectations which is a shame and i think that is the part that needs addressing, its not the Business model at fault BUT how it is "sold" to people.

Debbie

You have used the quote thing all wrong so what I said has been left off here and only what you said outside the quotes is picked up.

As to what I said - I had the upline with me , we did the circles as taught at the meetings, we said you *might* get a pound a book or more but it would take time to build an area. You can forget the old argument that I promised too much , the advert said **£200 - £500 a month FT PT** and it was a standard one sold at meetings to put in shop windows.

The blurb in the book and on the internet says you can **earn from day one** Nothing to do with me I just went along with it.

I hope you aren't going to peddle the line that had I said

, **you'll work 4 times longer than what is said in the approved leaflet, and you won't break even , plus you'll have loads of costs and you might , just might , recoup your costs after 6 months , if you are very lucky plus you'll have to go to meetings or you'll get no support and be called a loser, or that you';ll have to drive to birmingham and play happy clappy but god forbid you should say "these people are acting mental" whan you see some of them ***


Do YOU REALLY think ANYONE would sign up?? really? thats what you think is it?


Its very simple how kleeneze works - they sign up as many people as they can , when one falls they get another, if all they do is £200 od orders thats £200 of plastic overpriced tat sold, if they resign someone new will sell it. The end result is the uplines still get the money coming in regardless of who actually shifts the stuff. Kleeneze win because the stuff is shifted out the warehouse.

THATS how kleeneze works and how the top bods make the money - the massive turnover in people .


The idea too that the people don't buy because of the turnover in people is rubbish too, no one can earn any money , a Morethanconcerend here did this for over 3 years and built a huge customer base but STILL didn't make any money in the long run.

It;'s actually sold that it doesn't matter how many do it in an area, that people are somehow just falling over themselves to buy the stuff and no matter how many do it in an area they can all make money .

Poppycock to all that.