Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Peter_Pan

bloss0m wrote: »

Why does it bother you so much. Maybe he wants to worn others of the nasty side of mlm

I found this on this web site

http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/MLMexample.php

"It is our opinion that overall, most Arbonne reps, as with ALL MLM's, are doomed to failure. Only a very small percentage are likely to be successful."

What percentage of the popualtion can be deemed to be successful in terms of wealth in any occupation ? its the same answer - only a small percentage are likely to be successful. Perhaps people think and believe they can't be in that small percentage, perhaps personal development may help?

Debbie

JennyJewell

Well done on your successful years Irene and I wish you many more :j
Jenny

irenew10 wrote: »

I've done Kleeneze now for 12 years. In terms of income it's been very good for me and there's a very good social side to it too. For those who don't want to deliver Kleeneze catalogues, Party Plan is now launched - brilliant way to earn cash and have fun. Like all things in life the work suits some and not others. If you think it suits you, then it's worth giving it a go - great way to earn an extra income. AS with all self employed work there are costs, they are minimal compared to the sums you can earn if you put your mind to it and work. There's positive stuff on Facebook about it too. Irene Wilson.:j

ezepeezy

Distributors in Not So Eze to make money are being penalised .


Eze have bumped up the compulsory £7.65/month internet fee to £10.


No longer take cheques or credit cards to avoid business bank charges.

Retail profit has been decreased with Vat rate increase (conversion rate 1.2 instead of 1.175 when going from cat price to bonus points).

Lower Sales Plan Value on higher value "plus products" has been introduced which means you dont get 21% on things like a carpet sweeper

There has been a 6% reduction in #pages in catalogue without price reduction to distributor,and a decrease in size of snap catalogue bag without price reduction to distributor.


Never been a better time to leave.

Honest_John_666

ezepeezy wrote: »

Distributors in Not So Eze to make money are being penalised .


Eze have bumped up the compulsory £7.65/month internet fee to £10.


No longer take cheques or credit cards to avoid business bank charges.

Retail profit has been decreased with Vat rate increase (conversion rate 1.2 instead of 1.175 when going from cat price to bonus points).

Lower Sales Plan Value on higher value "plus products" has been introduced which means you dont get 21% on things like a carpet sweeper

There has been a 6% reduction in #pages in catalogue without price reduction to distributor,and a decrease in size of snap catalogue bag without price reduction to distributor.


Never been a better time to leave.

Sales figures are down, everything negative :rotfl:

GOOD :rotfl:

Keep the FACTS coming through

Party plan :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: OH YEAH........thst going to make the world of differnece.

Looks like less money yet again for those beleivers

If you recruits 10 & they all do this then you'll be GOLD :eek: be GOLD..... more like a MIRACLE :rotfl:

Follow this sales plan & you'll be driving Porsche next week :eek:

What a load of old .............

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

Peter_Pan wrote: »

What percentage of the popualtion can be deemed to be successful in terms of wealth in any occupation ? its the same answer - only a small percentage are likely to be successful. Perhaps people think and believe they can't be in that small percentage, perhaps personal development may help?

Debbie

Live within your own means

Dont spend what you dont have

MOST people that have 2nd income jobs/opperunities such as Kleeneze & Betterware dont do this. FACT

How many people on here have 2nd incomes???

WHY. If you dont have it or earn it then dont spend it :mad:

& on the subject of ANY & I MEAN any MLM or NWM scheme is there anyone that makes enough money per week to call it a full time wage???


Regards
John

Should_be_out_gardening

JennyJewell wrote: »

Hi peeps
Hi Pat and Deb
People are accusing Patrick of being rude to people on here - well I had a massive attacking from some of you on here so much so that people who haven't even commented on this thread personally pm'd me to advise me to ignore the rude remarks that were aimed at me!
I'm also guessing Pat hasn't changed because he is very happy in working with the company that he is?
There are plenty of negative comments being made about Wikaniko by people who have never tried it and it seems to be ok - yet comments made by Patrick and Debbie about MLM in general isn't?
Basically it seems to be that negative remarks that are made are ok and anything that is said in a positive light is frowned upon - how strange?
I originally came on here because I saw a thread that mentioned Kleeneze and wanted to share my good news - I didn't realise at the time it was some sort of hate page! Hence the reason I haven't visited for a while - I would rather chat to positive people, it doesn't have to be about business, just life in general.
Good luck all - life is for living and flys by far too quickly!
Jen

Well patrick was extremely rude to me and you said nothing so thats part of your whole argument gone in a flash. What makes it worse is that he said he hadn't done kleenze that he had looked at the stuff and didn't like the products, now he is saying he did it, I think therer is something wrong with him. He is on another thread arguing with people who disagree with him and callingn for moderators to take action like he has done here. It's plain to see that you peter pan and patrick follow each other around backing each other up , you just want everyone to agree with you and not say anything agains tthe different companies you work for. Thats just rude.

I was not a failure at kleeneze , I did all that I was supposed to do but they said I would get about a £1 book but I got no where near anything like that and it cost a fortune in books fuel and charges. I spent a lot of time on it from the start and wprked really hard I had other casual work as well and wejhn I looked how much I had spent on kleeneze and how much I got it just wasn't worth it at all.

You've been saying that people don't get orders because they aren't very nice but thats poppycock you put the books in the letterbox and people buy. I knew loads of my customers from my gardening and odd jobs and many bought , probably because they wanted to support me but that can't carry on . Many of the peiople I did deliver too have since given me work or odd jobs. The stuff is too expensive and they can get it much cheaper in the cheap shops in the town.

I used to have to go tp the meetings where they went on and on about recruiting and some there had recruoted loads and bought people every time but they all dropped out , the bloke that signed me up signed up loads of people and went on and on about kleenezze all the time but he is still the same driving and old car and in a shabby house , he hasn't made the money he keeps going on about.

Those of us that have seen how they go on see the same here and tell others about it. There are lots of people that have done this and it has been crap for them. The thing is you don't like anyone telling about it.

Should_be_out_gardening

ezepeezy wrote: »

Distributors in Not So Eze to make money are being penalised .


Eze have bumped up the compulsory £7.65/month internet fee to £10.


No longer take cheques or credit cards to avoid business bank charges.

Retail profit has been decreased with Vat rate increase (conversion rate 1.2 instead of 1.175 when going from cat price to bonus points).

Lower Sales Plan Value on higher value "plus products" has been introduced which means you dont get 21% on things like a carpet sweeper

There has been a 6% reduction in #pages in catalogue without price reduction to distributor,and a decrease in size of snap catalogue bag without price reduction to distributor.


Never been a better time to leave.

The charges and the cost of books and fuel made this not worth doing, by the time all the costs come out you are left with pennies and some weeks don't break even. I found that the time I spent putting out the books and trying to get them back then sorting them all out meant I was getting pennies an hour.

I gave up when I got an offer to clear a huge garden and lay all new turf and plants and the bloke was paying money upfront as he'd been let down. The bloke who signed me up went mad when I said I wasn't putting the books out that week and wouldn't puting an order in, I never got anywhere near the bonus he did so it wasn't my problem and told him that. I did start again after but then they wanted me to get all new books for the new season and I just hadn't got the money .

Should_be_out_gardening

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

Sales figures are down, everything negative :rotfl:

GOOD :rotfl:

Keep the FACTS coming through

Party plan :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: OH YEAH........thst going to make the world of differnece.

Looks like less money yet again for those beleivers

If you recruits 10 & they all do this then you'll be GOLD :eek: be GOLD..... more like a MIRACLE :rotfl:

Follow this sales plan & you'll be driving Porsche next week :eek:

What a load of old .............

Regards
John

They sold me boxes of flyaer with an 0800 nnumber on that I paid for to try and recruit people. I went to different areas and put them all out starting at dawn so as not to lose too much of the day. I did sign up a few people but they could make any money , one guy and his girlfirend put out 100 books and got £15 in orders and I didn't know what to say really. The only way to sign people up it seemed was not to tell them how hard it was and how they wouldn't make any money unless they sigend up loads of other people.

It was just a racket really. I've seen others doing it round here but never the same people they don't last but there is always someone who needs money and thinks this is the answer.

I did think it was alright at first but after a few months you do the sums and you are out of pocket. What got me was how nasty they could get when you said you had bills to pay and things rather than driving miles and paying to hear some bloke yapping , fuel costs money but they seemed to think everyone was making laods which they were , they were all lying to each other about how long it took and how much they all made. They lie like this to sucker in new people.

PatrickD

Should_be_out_gardening wrote: »

Well patrick was extremely rude to me and you said nothing so thats part of your whole argument gone in a flash. What makes it worse is that he said he hadn't done kleenze that he had looked at the stuff and didn't like the products, now he is saying he did it, I think therer is something wrong with him. He is on another thread arguing with people who disagree with him and callingn for moderators to take action like he has done here. It's plain to see that you peter pan and patrick follow each other around backing each other up , you just want everyone to agree with you and not say anything agains tthe different companies you work for. Thats just rude.

You just have a different definition of rude to everyone else, thats all.
I didn't say I hadn't done Kleeneze, I have done it, just for a short time. I've also done plenty of research into it, which is very easy to do these days. Yes, I'll argue my point if my opinion is different to others, thats what forums are for. Unfortunately there are a few on here who don't like different opinions to their own, so they turn into arguments. I wasn't calling for mods to take action, someone reported me for spamming on a thread where I'm not even involved in that business, so I reported them to the mods. I have no problem with people saying anything against the business I'm in as long as its done in a way that doesn't involve calling us scammers, spammers and worse.

I was not a failure at kleeneze , I did all that I was supposed to do but they said I would get about a £1 book but I got no where near anything like that and it cost a fortune in books fuel and charges. I spent a lot of time on it from the start and wprked really hard I had other casual work as well and wejhn I looked how much I had spent on kleeneze and how much I got it just wasn't worth it at all.

Sorry but yes, you were a failure. You joined the company with whatever goals you had, to make a certain amount of money I presume, and you didn't reach those goals. You failed to reach them. Don't worry about the word ''failure'', everyone on this earth has failed at something.

You've been saying that people don't get orders because they aren't very nice but thats poppycock you put the books in the letterbox and people buy. I knew loads of my customers from my gardening and odd jobs and many bought , probably because they wanted to support me but that can't carry on . Many of the peiople I did deliver too have since given me work or odd jobs. The stuff is too expensive and they can get it much cheaper in the cheap shops in the town.

There are people who get orders and make money from Kleeneze and there are people who dont. The company, the opportunity and the products are the same for all. Therefore the reason some fail and some make money is the person. If you don't like the products, then fine, its a great reason to give up (its the same reason I gave up), but dont go round like the rest on here saying its a bad business and it doesn't work, because it does....for others, who like the products and think they're a good price.

I used to have to go tp the meetings where they went on and on about recruiting and some there had recruoted loads and bought people every time but they all dropped out , the bloke that signed me up signed up loads of people and went on and on about kleenezze all the time but he is still the same driving and old car and in a shabby house , he hasn't made the money he keeps going on about.

Same as above. Some will make money, some won't. The business and products are exactly the same for everyone.

Those of us that have seen how they go on see the same here and tell others about it. There are lots of people that have done this and it has been crap for them. The thing is you don't like anyone telling about it.

I have no problem with people telling others about their experiences, as long as they are honest enough to admit that it just wasn't for them instead of blaming the company and products, the same company and products that are providing success for others.

Pat

Peter_Pan

Should_be_out_gardening wrote: »

I did sign up a few people but they could make any money , one guy and his girlfirend put out 100 books and got £15 in orders and I didn't know what to say really. The only way to sign people up it seemed was not to tell them how hard it was and how they wouldn't make any money unless they sigend up loads of other people. What expectations did you give them? Too high by the sounds of it and there lies the problem. People in any Company need to start telling their prospects that the first few months are spent finding customers in whichever way they choose and the focus isn't on how much orders they get but how many customers they get bearing the follwing in mind.The industry average is £1 a brochure on a blanket drop but unfortunately due to some area being inundated with different brochures, orders not being picked up, people quitting after one drop it can take a few consistent drops before people even start looking.

We have had customers put out a small order just to see if we are going to pick it up, deliver it in a reasonable amount of time and have gone on to be regular customers and others who didn't order til 2nd or even 3rd drop because they wanted to see that we would be regular, people aren't prepared to change their shopping habits if it is going to cause them hassle about items not being delivered or books not put out regularly.

Yes they need to be told it will take time to build a customer base and that depends on the time and effort they can put in initially but once they have that customer base , its the instant gratification society we live in unfortunately.




It was just a racket really. I've seen others doing it round here but never the same people they don't last but there is always someone who needs money and thinks this is the answer. I wonder why customers don't order!!! you have just answered the question yourself.

I did think it was alright at first but after a few months you do the sums and you are out of pocket. What got me was how nasty they could get when you said you had bills to pay and things rather than driving miles and paying to hear some bloke yapping , fuel costs money but they seemed to think everyone was making laods which they were , they were all lying to each other about how long it took and how much they all made. They lie like this to sucker in new people.

How long is a few months? We went through travelling across the Country almost every weekend, to meetings and spending our valuable "family" time at weekends away from the children and that is the one part of my experience with Kleeneze i regret because children do grow up and very quickly and i do feel i missed out on some of that.
BUT i have learnt from that and i did pick up some useful information at the meetings which is helping me now.
As for people getting nasty it sounds like you were in a poorly run team becuase not everyone is like that and it does sound as you were misled when you joined by being given false expectations which is a shame and i think that is the part that needs addressing, its not the Business model at fault BUT how it is "sold" to people.

Debbie