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Am I missing something? Getting a job is easy!!
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Maybe you should get your head out of your backside and realise that 2 parents working antisocial hours does not work!
What age are your friends, what other commitments/responsibilities do they have, what area of work are they in, what jobs have they found, what other qualifications do they have?
Do you not realise that for many people having to go to the jobcentre and sign on every 2 weeks plus be messed about by them and told to like it or lump it, is the most demeaning thing that they could experience?
That applying for jobs everyday to not even be 'worthy' of getting a "sorry not this time" reply is humiliating, to be out of work for the first time in 20yrs and not be eligible to apply for a shelf stacking position is degrading?
Again, maybe you should be thankful you have a job and are not in this position.
ceridwen did not mention two parents both working unsocial hours, did she? Don't worry, I accept your apology for trying to twist my words!
My friends have varying circumstances, but if a single parent with a six year old child can find work, then anyone can.
If you continue with your 'woe is me' attitude, you are going to be unemployed for a very long time. Alternatively you could go to an agency on Monday and say 'I'll take anything'.
The chances of finding new employment are greatly enhanced by being in employment. Why would an employer want to recruit someone who is happier doing nothing than actually trying to do something, even if that something is far from ideal?Gone ... or have I?0 -
I would choose JSA. Call me a snob but I wouldn't want those jobs on my CV. Employers may see something wrong with some person having a degree and then working in a factory...
I have to say though that there is far too much red tape with regards to just getting a job and paying your way in life.
Wow, I don't know of any employer that would think being on JSA is better than actually working. I think taking a job in a factory with your degree would show that you are willing to muck in and get your hands dirty at times. Far better than the "I'm better than that" attitude.There are many things in life that will catch your eye, only a few will catch your heart. Pursue those.0 -
This is the issue - people are too proud to do jobs that they see as beneath them. In many cases they have neither the qualifications or experience to get anything better. If god forbid I had to claim JSA I'd much rather take one of these kind of jobs than languish at home waiting for the 50k job to materialise.
No in many cases it is not the issue. Have you actually applied or looked for any of these jobs? Most care homes now do a direct recruitment so will pay an agency to bring workers from overseas and emply directly rather than advertise locally.
Street cleaners earn a pretty good wage...way over min wage but you also need qualifications specific to the job.
Factories are dying out, look for manufacturing/production line work and you will see that there are VERY few jobs in that area and most have excessive applicants for them.I would choose JSA. Call me a snob but I wouldn't want those jobs on my CV. Employers may see something wrong with some person having a degree and then working in a factory...
Yes you are a snob and you should be prepared to extend your search, like I say some "street cleaner" positions are earning a good wage, well above JSA/min wage.
Employers see far more wrong with someone out of work for long periods than someone who is prepared to do whatever work they have to do to support themselves.0 -
I think someone who has the get up and go to seek employment, any employment, should be applauded.
Lots of people are seeking employment right now. Its actually finding it that can be the issue.
When people are saying that unemployed people should accept any job, whatever the conditions I think that's a bit of a slippery slope towards immoral employers treating their workers very badly. People should be allowed to say no to exploitation, which despite the existence of NMW, still exists.
I've just signed on for JSA and I'm giving myself a bit of time (6-8 weeks probably, hopefully less!) to try and find something in the area I actually want to work in before I start looking at 'any job'. I don't think that makes me a scrounger, I think it makes me someone with skills and ambition who would like to use them!0 -
If they have gone into that type of work in the first place - then they will have arranged a "life" around hours like that presumably.
If, however, one has spent many years only working in normal workhours - then, equally, ones "life" has been built around that fact as well and interests/social life/friends will all have been chosen and taken on on that basis.
Have you ever heard of the ability to change and adapt? It is a very handy skill in the workplace!
To be fair ceridwen, if you are as set in your ways as you suggest, it is you that appears to have no life, not those who are willing to take a chance and try something new.Gone ... or have I?0 -
Person_one wrote: »Lots of people are seeking employment right now. Its actually finding it that can be the issue.
When people are saying that unemployed people should accept any job, whatever the conditions I think that's a bit of a slippery slope towards immoral employers treating their workers very badly. People should be allowed to say no to exploitation, which despite the existence of NMW, still exists.
I've just signed on for JSA and I'm giving myself a bit of time (6-8 weeks probably, hopefully less!) to try and find something in the area I actually want to work in before I start looking at 'any job'. I don't think that makes me a scrounger, I think it makes me someone with skills and ambition who would like to use them!
I would never suggest that anyone took work that was unlawful, and nor would the JCP. I also did not call you a scrounger. You seem to be reading things that have not been written!Gone ... or have I?0 -
I would choose JSA. Call me a snob but I wouldn't want those jobs on my CV. Employers may see something wrong with some person having a degree and then working in a factory...
I have to say though that there is far too much red tape with regards to just getting a job and paying your way in life.
As you appear to have never had a job, I don't see how you can know that!Gone ... or have I?0 -
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ceridwen did not mention two parents both working unsocial hours, did she? Don't worry, I accept your apology for trying to twist my words!
My friends have varying circumstances, but if a single parent with a six year old child can find work, then anyone can.
If you continue with your 'woe is me' attitude, you are going to be unemployed for a very long time. Alternatively you could go to an agency on Monday and say 'I'll take anything'.
The chances of finding new employment are greatly enhanced by being in employment. Why would an employer want to recruit someone who is happier doing nothing than actually trying to do something, even if that something is far from ideal?
A single parent with a 6yr old can find work because they are more entitled to help with childcare costs and other benefits...but thats a whole other debate!
I don't have a "woe is me" attitude, I am perfectly happy with my own and my family situation both personal and employment (ok I'd like a few less bills to pay and a bit more spare cash each month but tough!) I'll be prepared to accept your apology.:p
The problem with going to an agency is that to do agency work you sign off JSA, you can then work for 1 week before again being unemployed, You then have to sign back on JSA which can take around 4-6 weeks to restart. Now for someone who is actually dependent on that money coming in so they can pay house/car/insurance and put food on the table it is simply not an option.
Your last point about it being easier to gain employment when in employment only proves how hard it can be for someone on JSA to find work......find a suitable job, apply, be one of 100 applicants for 1 position, go for interview, wait, wait and wait some more to get a reply which never appears and then find out that the successful applicant already has a job working for themselves in their own business!0
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