A Decent Man

purch

Will the tories agree to PR?

Probably not, but they might have more to gain from some form of electoral reform than Labour currently do.

Currently Labour are the main beneficiaries of the FPP system.

SingleSue

We'll probably never agree Ruggedtoast....it is just my view and is something that I feel quite strongly about.

Plus the Liberal democrats didn't have a hope in hell of getting in here so would have been a wasted vote.

Edit - Although the Libdems actually overtook Labour to become the second party here....by a huge swing but still a long way short of the Conservatives.

ALIBOBSY

I think it actually might be quite good for the country to have a minortiy tory gov with the lib dems curbing any too "far right" policies.
I think initially clegg would settle for a promise that PR or some form of system that involved PR would go to a referendum to allow the people to decide.

But overall I reckon we will be back voting in less than 2 years.

I really don't want GB anymore and I think most of the rest of the country agree, just that people are worried that the tories might slip back to some kind of Thatcherite ways.

Whatever happens greece is showing what will happen here if not cuts are made and made fast.
We are bankcrupt and will get downgraded soon if we do nothing as per the Labour party. At least if we cut now we can have some choice on what/where the cuts are made. If we end up going cap in hand to the IMF as per greece they will force through the cuts and we will have no choice but to comply.

ali x

bioboybill

The Tories and Lib Dems are so far apart I can't see how they could possibly support the Tory program. I think Clegg painted himself in during the campaign and he knows that if he goes back on that he could get hammered in another election in 6 months.

Now he has the opportunity of getting a place in the cabinet, or he could just ask the Tories for PR knowing it will be refused. He can then turn back to a deal with Labour having given the Conservatives their chance.

lostinrates

purch wrote: »

Probably not, but they might have more to gain from some form of electoral reform than Labour currently do.

Currently Labour are the main beneficiaries of the FPP system.

perhaps we should take a vote on it?

Blacklight

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Yeah, fancy not wanting to spend hundreds of billions of pounds on a unnecessary renewal of a US cold war nuclear deterrent that is almost completely dependent on America to operate.

Madness.

By the way if I agree to pay all your petrol bills for the next 50 years is it ok if I borrow your car once or twice?

You mean fancy not wanting to take £100bn out of the economy during a period of very weak recovery? Who'd of thought.

Anyway...

Will Brown now step aside or will he offer the Lib Dems every concession just to stay PM, forcing Clegg to say the Tories wouldn't offer a decent deal?

My money's on the stubborn Scotsman not budging from No.10.

kennyboy66_2

Exocet wrote: »

Just heard Clegg saying Tories got most seats / votes therefore they should have chance to form government. He could have played it the 'Mandelson' way but he didn't. I am impressed by his integrity.

Integrity all right, but I would say a strategic disaster for Lib Dems if they can't wring a referendum on PR.

I reckon 6-9 months of a Tory / Lib Dem, would suit Labour (with a new leader) just fine.

Most Lib Dems I know would vote Green, Labour and in some areas (the south west), UKIP, before they would vote Tory.

Really2

bioboybill wrote: »

The Tories and Lib Dems are so far apart I can't see how they could possibly support the Tory program.

Perhaps they have seen their support in terms of votes go to the torys at the last min.
Perhaps they reallise to govern they need to come a bit more to the right and the torys a bit more to the left.

On thing is for certain the torys got the most votes so their policies were seen as the most in line with the majority of the population.

Exocet

bioboybill wrote: »

He can then turn back to a deal with Labour having given the Conservatives their chance.

I don't think you can play the game of I'll be your friend and then I'll be someone else's friend. Not so publicly. Clegg could have played that game behind closed doors and dragged the whole thing out. I believe he knew exactly what he was saying, and the brief statement laid it out for the country.

When you think that Clegg personally probably gave up a cabinet seat in order to make that statement I believe it could restore some much needed faith in politics. I hope Mandelson will now slither away for good.

ILW

Blacklight wrote: »

You mean fancy not wanting to take £100bn out of the economy during a period of very weak recovery? Who'd of thought.

Anyway...

Will Brown now step aside or will he offer the Lib Dems every concession just to stay PM, forcing Clegg to say the Tories wouldn't offer a decent deal?

My money's on the stubborn Scotsman not budging from No.10.

I do not see the argument that cutting public spending is taking money out of the economy. It is just moving it from one place to another. That is of course unless you mean incresing borrowing even more to finance it, but I think we are pretty close to our credit limit.