Stessed by problem with DD's school

AnnaLicious_2

That's shocking. If she wans't so close to graduating from nursery school I would suggest pulling her out. I am shocked they thought the council, via social services, would have funded extra support. That would have been Social Inclusion funding, which is for far more serious issues! What a waste of money that would have been - extra staff for a nappy change!
I would Strongly Suggest you get in touch with Ofsted. Tell them the situation and your concerns. There is nothing in the Ofsted guidelines that says a memeber of staff cannot leave to change a nappy. They seriously misunderstand the child/staff ratios and how they work if they believe this. Nurseries, especially council run nurseries, have a duty to support children with special needs. This is shocking behaviour.
After speaking to Ofsted, find out if they're council run or independent yet attached to a school. If they're council run, I would raise a complaint also.

Mupette

I am sure i have read this on here before.

but i've had a though and it could be completely wrong and silly.

what about getting her to wear pants but put panty liners in, I'm thinking if she is not you know having a poop, but is erm how can you say, a little bit coming out, would/could you show her how to change these if at all possible,

does she know when she has done it is obviously important,

sorry if this does not make sense as i have not had to look after a child with such a chronic thing, but OP hugs to you for all the running around you must have to do

RLH33

I also think this is quite shocking. I have been on the Committees of two Pre-schools where children attended from 2 years old. Many of the children are still in nappies when they attend and there is no problem with staff changing their nappies. Furthermore there is no pressure to ensure that children are out of nappies by a certain age so the fact that your child still needs changing at nearly 4 wouldn't matter a bit.

You are no longer allowed to discriminate against children who still need nappies whatever age they are, for example, saying that children cannot attend unless they are toilet trained. Your child has a medical condition that is obviously well recognised and as such should be given all the necessary support to attend a main-stream school/nursery.

As AnnaLicious says - get in touch with Ofsted as soon as possible.

galvanizersbaby

Mupette wrote: »

I am sure i have read this on here before.

but i've had a though and it could be completely wrong and silly.

what about getting her to wear pants but put panty liners in, I'm thinking if she is not you know having a poop, but is erm how can you say, a little bit coming out, would/could you show her how to change these if at all possible,

does she know when she has done it is obviously important,

sorry if this does not make sense as i have not had to look after a child with such a chronic thing, but OP hugs to you for all the running around you must have to do

No I'm pretty sure OP has posted before on the same topic - because I recall posting on the thread and getting nursery school muddled up with big school!

Sorry OP - no help to you

Mely

littlemissfrugal wrote: »

personally I would be keeping her home a while longer until it can be sorted long term - get back to your GP and see if there is anything more they can do.

From your DD point of view the kids she is with now will i presume be the same ones she will be at bigger school with and it would be awful if she were to become known as the girl that poos herself as that could have an effect on her confidence and self esteem

I completely agree with the above post. If she was my daughter id have to keep her home untill its sorted out. Its not fair on your daughter to have to go through this in school.

Mely

andrealm wrote: »

She's been seen by a paed at the hospital and now we're seeing a nurse at the constipation clinic. She's had blood tests done but they came back clear, it is chronic constipation which is quite common in children. She is on 4-6 sachets of Movicol a day with the aim of getting her to do one proper sized poo a day.

Yes it is constipation, she needs changed a lot as she tries to hold poo in and is soiling, doing little bits of poo instead of a proper sized stool.

She is likely to have this problem for at least several months, some children have it for years. So keeping her off long term is not an option and she will be of compulsory school age in September.

Keep her off untill September then.

shellsuit

Haven't read through it all, but I also remember your other thread.

Here is the link to it incase there was any info on it you might have missed.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2116205=

Jo.G

Gingham_Ribbon wrote: »

With respect to those people trying to help, the little girl is constipated and is being treated for it. Recommending messing about with her medication isn't helpful, and potentially dangerous.

I completely agree.
My son had chronic constipation, probably from a similar age to the OP's daughter.
When he started school nursery, he would have accidents almost daily. I think the OP's daughter is probably worse, as my DS wore underpants and the nursery staff would just change them. Most 3 year olds at nursery have the occasional accident, the teachers never had a problem with my son.

My DS problem was treated differently to the OP and he was put on Lactulose and another medicine which I think was called Docusol. He had 5ml of each twice a day and we had regular hospital appointments and his meds would be amended depending on how he had been.

After one bad period, we were given Movicol sachets basically to clear his system out and start over. I'm glad that in his case, they were only used in an emergency. We had to gradually increase the amount of sachets over a few days and OMG, when he needed to go, he needed to go!

My DS was eventually discharged, I think when he was about 7yrs. The doctors did say he may naturally just be one of those people who doesnt 'go' daily. I too worried about lazy bowels and being tagged as 'the smelly boy who poo's his pants' by the other kids.

My DS is now 10yr and is still prescribed lactulose. He is on 5ml a day, but I'm trying to wean him off, so give it every other day.
He is so much better, but still needs an occasional reminder to go to the loo and doesn't 'go' every day.

But watching your 3yr old child in agony on the toilet is horrendous. I always described it as watching a woman give birth.

The OP's child has chronic constipation, the medication is causing her frequent accidents.

OP, I wouldn't keep your daughter off school. Our school has a nurse from one of the local community health centres attached to the school. She doesnt go into the school on a regular basis, but is there for any problems the school or parents may have. When the kids started Reception we had to fill in a questionnaire where we listed any medical conditions the children had and any medication they were on. Ask if your school has something similar and if so, speak to them. Maybe they could speak to the school and make the teachers a little more understanding and helpful.

Good luck OP, I hope your daughter makes a recovery soon. It is more common than I thought and schools should be aware of the issues and know how to deal with them.

Gingham_Ribbon

I'm horrified to read that some people think refusing this child a school education is desirable.

AnnaLicious_2

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