Who do you hate...?

puddy

i hate jeffery archer, always have done, always will do

pickledpink

I don't hate anyone. Hate's an ugly thing.

But I dislike certain people. People who are:

BORING

KNOW ALLS

BORING

MAKE OUT THEY'RE SOMETHING THEY'RE NOT

BORING

THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING, BUT HAVE NOTHING

BORING

Generali

pickledpink wrote: »

I don't hate anyone. Hate's an ugly thing.

But I dislike certain people. People who are:

BORING

KNOW ALLS

BORING

MAKE OUT THEY'RE SOMETHING THEY'RE NOT

BORING

THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING, BUT HAVE NOTHING

BORING

Missed the point again then PP. Started early on the booze or finishing late?

tomterm8

pickledpink wrote: »

I don't hate anyone. Hate's an ugly thing.

But I dislike certain people. People who are:

BORING

KNOW ALLS

BORING

MAKE OUT THEY'RE SOMETHING THEY'RE NOT

BORING

THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING, BUT HAVE NOTHING

BORING

So, you hate yourself then?

pickledpink

Generali wrote: »

Missed the point again then PP. Started early on the booze or finishing late?

:whistle: I don't need to booze myself into oblivion - I'm perfectly normal, content and happy. I'm not frustrated, depressed or anything like that. I think it's rude of you to imply I'm a drunk or an alcoholic. Why are you picking on me? I should report you.

carolt

The clue is in the name, surely?

lostinrates

tomterm8 wrote: »

I think it's something of a myth that foxes kill lambs. I think they would find it hard to kill a newborn lamb if the lamb was healthy. My experience is that I've seen a fox within a few feet of a lamb, and make no attempt to kill it. The mother was looking on without worrying. No, no doubt foxes do eat lambs which are already dead, or which are very ill... which are somewhat negligable lossess to the farmer.

Foxes kill chickens, and they do it for fun. Its not so much the economic costs of the chickens lost, it is the cost of protecting chickens that is particularly expensive. If they freerange like ours (we have a few backyard hens), the fencing costs much more than the chickens.

The biggest worries about foxes, is that they can harbour diseases, in particular TB... just like badgers... and bovine TB can put a farmer out of business.

I've seen fox ravaged lamb, only once though I think. Big birds are more of an issue sometimes in my (lesser than your) experience.

tomterm8

lostinrates wrote: »

I've seen fox ravaged lamb, only once though I think. Big birds are more of an issue sometimes in my (lesser than your) experience.

I think your experience is better than mine... but... did you actually see the fox kill the lamb? Lambs can die pretty fast... or get ill pretty fast.... and then you get a corpse that looks ravaged but wasn't really killed by the fox? Foxes are scavangers, and will take an opportunistic meal.

I'm not saying that a fox might not kill a lamb if it was desperate. Of course it might.

Yeah, I agree... birds are a problem.

lostinrates

tomterm8 wrote: »

I think your experience is better than mine... but... did you actually see the fox kill the lamb? Lambs can die pretty fast... or get ill pretty fast.... and then you get a corpse that looks ravaged but wasn't really killed by the fox?

I'm not saying that a fox might not kill a lamb if it was desperate. Of course it might.

Yeah, I agree... birds are a problem.

N'uhuh. I've been vet student styley- holiday lambing, and had very temporary care of adult sheep/older lambs in our orchard. I've not had the full time ownership responsibility of sheep, or had to make...say feed decisions. Or ever trimmed feet or anything. Perhaps they bring pleasure if you do that? I think I'd spend every day bash head aganst wall about there stupidity.

No, I didn't see the fox kill the lamb, thats true! It was about 50 mins after I'd seen it live and skipping though. Not round here.....we had a daytime fox here, who was taking chickens, only one at a time, unusually, in the day time

ninky_2

numbers lost to foxes are extremely low and not a serious financial threat to farming. far more lambs are lost due to poor animal husbandry. this doesn't surprise me. growing up in a rural area with a farm unit on our school (we had to do rural studies) it never failed to astound me how the vast majority of farming vandalises and misuses the countryside.

http://www.thefoxwebsite.org/agriculture/agrisheep.html

The majority of lamb mortality is due to poor husbandry rather than predation.
In a study of 108 UK sheep farms, the following factors were linked to higher lamb mortality:

1. larger flocks
2. poor ewe condition at breeding
3. flocks where ewes were replaced often

From this study it was concluded that, to reduce mortality in lambs, farmers should improve the condition of ewes at the time of breeding, maintain good hygiene standards at lambing, supervise young lambs and employ similar good husbandry practices.