'Feeling empathy for Gordon' blog discussion

PhylPho

A plea to Labour supporters posting on this thread:

Being neither cerebrally nor visually challenged, MSErs are perfectly capable of coping with a posted comment without benefit of the LARGE TYPE and / or red coloured fonts upon which Labour voters so evidently depend to help them think and / or read.

Sincere thanks.

dizzie

PhylPho wrote: »

Nice idea, dizzie, but sorry: it ain't going to work. The unreal world of financing north of The Border -- where every resident is entitled to around £1,500 more from the public purse than any resident living south of The Border -- is coming to an end...

By all means then, dizzie, head off to Scotland. But be aware that North of The Border, The Days of Wine & Roses are over.

And about time, too.

Thanks very much for your detailed reply PhylPho. I knew that Scotland were getting a better deal and now I know why!! So I'm very pleased to hear that the books are going to be more balanced from now on.

I've always felt very miffed that we pay into a system of uniform National taxation...but geographical differences dictate that there is no system of uniform service provision being paid for by those taxes.

So if Labour do get in again...maybe it'll have to be New Zealand!

By the way...class signature (BIGOT) on your last post...I do hope it'll be true

dizzie

yourbrother1975 wrote: »

I was not a huge fan of GB, but to be honest recently, I have changed my mind on this.

This man has had every C*** thrown at him and he is still standing. I actually feel really really sorry for him. And for that reason alone, I will be voting Labour this time.

Surely you don't think that "feeling sorry" for GB is a good enough reason on its own to vote Labour! :eek: And although I'm not pretending that any of these politicians are whiter than white - far from it, surely in the grave situation Britain finds itself in, a party's policies and ideas are far more important. If you are going to vote for any party surely you want to make sure you're doing it for the right reasons.

Let's face it, politicians know that they are not going to please all of the punters all of the time so they've got to be relatively thick-skinned to survive. And they choose to go into politics...and take the top jobs on the basis that they are going to come up against opposition. GB wanted the top job - and he wasn't even voted in by anyone. He believes (maybe quite arrogantly) that no one is more capable than he of doing the job. If this was not election time, he wouldn't care a monkeys tail about what people say about him - because he does what he wants despite what anyone says. In itself, I find a little worrying and wonder how often he does take advice and reconsiders his viewpoint and his policies - I worry that he is just too bull-headed to do this). GB only cares now because what people think now affects whether he keeps the top job!

If you want to feel sorry for anyone who has to "stand there and have every C*** thrown at them", then try the armed forces. These people put their lives (not their egos) on the line every day and have C***s thrown at them which are infinitely more lethal than words. And what do they get for it? A pay packet far less attractive than the PMs and an expectation from the PM that they will be happy to put their lives at further risk by being seriously underfunded and under-resourced.

GB is not a hero, but the beloved brother one of our friends had to bury last month after being critically injured in Afghanistan most certainly is.

I do hope misguided sympathy alone for GB won't influence your vote.:(

PhylPho

Premier wrote: »

In the interests of fair play & balance, I thought I'd take a quick look at the other 2 leader's claims.

First, Mr 'Squeaky Clean' Nick Clegg.

. . . I'm thinking of starting up a gardening services company in Sheffield. I see he claims £160 per month for gardening ... every month!

. . . In fact in July/August 2006, he claimed for a whopping £1640 gardening expenses alone - again nothing special, just lawn mowing, hedge cutting, etc plus a bit of pruning!


Edit: Btw, it looks like Gordon Brown's grass cutting bills of £35 are only per month and only during the growing season.

Premier:

I've just had a word with that nice Mr Clegg.

Apparently, the gardening bill was incurred in nurturing the green shoots of recovery. That it was seemingly so high was because -- says Mr Clegg -- the LibDems are nurturing a lot of 'em.

By contrast, I'm told by Mr Brown -- who's just popped in next door on a 45-minute visit to personally apologise for, well, everything really -- says his bill was low because he hasn't left any green shoots to nurture, and that the man he employed wasn't a gardener anyway but the manure spreader responsible for Labour's re-election manifesto.

I hope this puts your fears to rest.

PhylPho

dizzie wrote: »

Surely you don't think that "feeling sorry" for GB is a good enough reason on its own to vote Labour! :eek: And although I'm not pretending that any of these politicians are whiter than white - far from it, surely in the grave situation Britain finds itself in, a party's policies and ideas are far more important. If you are going to vote for any party surely you want to make sure you're doing it for the right reasons.I do hope misguided sympathy alone for GB won't influence your vote.:(

@ Dizzie: all credit to you for trying to help the less fortunate. However, unlike those who don't read and can't see, you should have no difficulty in re-arranging the words wall, against, your, a, banging, brick, head.

[Deleted User]

After Gordon Brown's use of the word 'bigot' the other day, it turns out that a lot of people did not know what the word meant.

In a rare act of co-operation, the Conservative and Lib Dem parties joined forces to educate the electorate about the word's meaning:


Brown Is Going On Thursday

(I want him to stay)

EDIT ... sorry, just seen Phylpho's signature!

PhylPho

Deleted_User wrote: »

After Gordon Brown's use of the word 'bigot' the other day, it turns out that a lot of people did not know what the word meant. EDIT ... sorry, just seen Phylpho's signature!

No prob, hiphouse. Dave and Nick would've got the explanation out sooner but couldn't agree on whether the Tories should have three letters to play with and the LibDems two or t'other way around.

I'm beginning to wonder if coalition government is a good idea after all.

Still. Anything's better than a Socialist dictatorship.

dizzie

Deleted_User wrote: »

After Gordon Brown's use of the word 'bigot' the other day, it turns out that a lot of people did not know what the word meant.

In a rare act of co-operation, the Conservative and Lib Dem parties joined forces to educate the electorate about the word's meaning:


Brown Is Going On Thursday

...And to counteract this cheap Conservative and LibDem move, Labour has produced an emergency campaign leaflet entitled "Labour Is Electable Still" - fondly referred to by its acronym - LIES.

And just to ensure that you believe LIES, another publication from Labour Head Office has just been released (in truly inefficient and expensive style) which sets out its policy and promises on the major issues: Schools, Care, Red Tape, Economy, World Affairs, Europe and Dosh...or SCREWED for short:

Schools: We’ve done a fantastic job of interfering with the education system. We like to measure everything we can so we support SATS and feel rather aggrieved that many teachers want these abolished. SATS has created jobs…and the chimps at Chester Zoo will be very upset if we have to dismiss them from marking papers.

Care: We have made big progress in this area. Hospital waiting lists are down which is great. It means you’ll get to see someone in the hospital for 10 minutes or so within a few months. Sometimes you might be offered some treatment as a result of this…but you’ll need to be put on another waiting list before you receive it. We try not to include this second waiting list in our statistics, but as we’re sure you’ll appreciate, we need to be selective about what we measure!

Red tape: We love red tape as much as big red rosettes, so we try to create as much of it as possible. After all, it provides jobs for people. And we just can’t understand why people are feeling bound, gagged and crippled by it. In fact, we plan to keep on bringing in as much legislation as possible, so you won’t have to worry about being responsible for anything, because you’ll be able to do very little. All you’ll need to do is…breathe…

Economy: We know that we tell you not to borrow more than you can afford to pay back…but when it comes to practicing what we preach…well we don’t have to (so there!). And the deficit is rather mesmerising…it’s not often we see numbers near to 1 trillion (How many noughts is that?). But so close to an election, it would be rather foolish to tell you that we’re crapping our pants about it and that we’re scratching our heads to invent new and substantive stealth taxes for you.

World Affairs: We’ve made a mess of immigration, but if you give us another try, we’ll promise to make a bigger, better mess. But we don’t really like the word Immigation – it makes us say unreasonable things…like bigot. So we’ll move on to tell you about other ideas we’ve had on the world stage. We’re going to give your money to the Taliban…we think it’s a corker of an idea which might encourage them to be nicer to us.

Europe. Having given away our rebate, Labour will ensure that we continue to pour excessive amounts of your money into the EU coffers…and in the traditional, polite and charitable British way - we won’t ask for anything much in return.

Dosh. (Excuse the slang, but we like to do our best to try to convince you we're just ordinary hard-working folk like you) Anyway, to get to the point we’ll need a lot more dosh from you! Those bankers were pretty expensive to bail out. But since they seemed nice chaps who said they’d give us cabinet ministers well paid advisory jobs once we left the world of politics, we didn’t have the heart to put any conditions on them when we gave them your money. But don’t worry, though we plan to take much more of your hard-earned wages, we’ll try to do it in as complicated way as possible. We believe a public bamboozled and kept in ignorance is a happy one!



In a nutshell, a Labour spokesman has said that the party would like to reassure the voting public that if you will accept their LIES, a returned Labour government will promise to work tirelessly to see you SCREWED.:)

ManyDollarz

Crabman wrote: »

Where did you get that piece of 'information'?

It appears the panels cost £15,000 and were paid for by the Browns.

SOLAR PANELS £6464.56p
Go to page 41 of this link. Remove the gap at the start of the URL as it won't allow my links up yet:
h ttp://mpsallowances.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/hocallowances/allowances-by-mp/gordon-brown/Gordon_Brown_0607_ACA.pdf

"Very quietly, we have put solar panels on our home in Scotland quite some time ago" GB. :beer:
Hmm, I must check to see if it's a listed building!

Newspapers' websites have been quoting GB as saying £15k with a £200 return in energy cost savings per year, which is quite awful TBH and £15K would be better off in a bank gaining interest instead, despite the yoghurt knitters' views on energy. So, unless you have GB's cheque book stub and know any different, please add your URL. And if you can find anything else that the Browns have actually paid for out of their own pockets, do enlighten us all here please, as the receipts suggest otherwise!

PhylPho

dizzie wrote: »

...And to counteract this cheap Conservative and LibDem move, Labour has produced an emergency campaign leaflet entitled "Labour Is Electable Still" - fondly referred to by its acronym - LIES.

. . . And just to ensure that you believe LIES, another publication from Labour Head Office has just been released (in truly inefficient and expensive style) which sets out its policy and promises on the major issues: Schools, Care, Red Tape, Economy, World Affairs, Europe and Dosh...or SCREWED for short.:)

Tsk, tsk, dizzie. So cynical. Yet so, er. . . true.

* NB: there's a misconception about hospital waiting lists.

Basically, the waiting list is the one every taxpayer is on as a result of ZanuLabour's Private Finance Initiative which allowed this aspect of Government borrowing to be completely hidden; private sector operators -- like the widely admired and inexplicably deceased Jarvis -- to turn in crap work without any kind of penalty clause; and The Treasury to under-write any over-run costs incurred by greedy developers who quoted too low in order to get the contract, safe in the knowledge they could jack up their prices afterwards -- and be paid.

The list of those of us who are now waiting for the PFI bill to be paid in full comprises every taxpayer in the UK. And, er, their kids. And possibly, grandchildren, too.