15year old son charged with robbery

jamesb1239

OP, I would try not to worry too much. If cautions are out of the question then your son may well end up with a Referral Order administered by the YOT on a first offence if he does get one then that will probably last 3-6 months, it is classed as a spent conviction the second it is over so will not affect his future unless he wishes to work somewhere that requires an enhanced disclosure.

If your son does in fact get a Referral Order then feel free to PM me on here if you want more information on them and the process involved etc.

PS. Your son needs to enter a guilty plea and show remorse for his actions for a RO to be considered. (its the better of the punishments to get)

Hope court is ok

babymoo

ChrisCobra wrote: »

Funny i thought it usually is at least the parents fault partially.

I used to think that till it happened to my family. Me and my brother were brought up exactly the same, he chose to go down that path, I didn't. No matter what my parents tried he wouldn't listen and wouldn't behave and the social services weren't interested in helping. It isn't always the parents that are to blame.

Filey

mrcow wrote: »

My good God!

"He now knows he should have walked away"?

A 12 year old is being mugged by a group of teenagers and you think that the solution is to walk away and leave them to it?

How would you feel if that was you being mugged in the street and passers by just walked on by?

Tell me that was a mistype and you're not serious!

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Mrcow I almost feel I 'know' you, having read many of your posts and stood (metaphorically), with you on most of them. But how many youngsters would have the guts/courage/chutzpah/confidence/assertiveness to say to a group of aggressive/older/bigger boys "Hang on, wait, this is wrong, we shouldn't be mugging a younger/smaller/weaker boy for 5p.

Mrcow you speak a counsel of perfection. You are of course quite right, he should have spoken up, should tried to stop it, should not just walk away. But it depends on his personality, his size, his age, his self confidence.

And let's hope he is scared witless and will choose new friends.

And let's hope he never gets in this situation ever again.

And if a person is truly not guilty then never to accept a caution or plead guilty in the hopes of a lesser sentence.

Gingham_Ribbon

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I would be ashamed if any teenager of mine put his (or her) welfare before that of someone weaker unless he could be sure that by doing so he could get immediate adult help.

I would be horrified if any teenager dived in to a situation they couldn't handle to help someone. What's the point in having 2 victims? I'd rather see a youngster showing some initiative and knocking on a nearby door while dialing 999 for example.

Oldernotwiser

Gingham_Ribbon wrote: »

I would be horrified if any teenager dived in to a situation they couldn't handle to help someone. What's the point in having 2 victims? I'd rather see a youngster showing some initiative and knocking on a nearby door while dialing 999 for example.

In this case I'd agree but if, as I said earlier, the teenager saw an animal being tortured or a toddler being abducted - something where time was of the essence?

I'd prefer my teenager to have more balls ( even if a girl ) and certainly more heart.

mrcow

Filey wrote: »

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Mrcow I almost feel I 'know' you, having read many of your posts and stood (metaphorically), with you on most of them. But how many youngsters would have the guts/courage/chutzpah/confidence/assertiveness to say to a group of aggressive/older/bigger boys "Hang on, wait, this is wrong, we shouldn't be mugging a younger/smaller/weaker boy for 5p.

Yes he could have said or done something outright as you say. Or perhaps he could have done something to deflect the situation at the time (along the lines of it's not worth it etc.). Or perhaps maybe could have gone to get help or even sought to find the kid afterwards to see if he was okay. Or looked to get help afterwards to find the kid in question. Or sought to let the police know what had happened afterwards. Or looked to offer an apology.

From the sounds of it, he did none of these things. All he's done is stand back and say "It wasn't me". Correct me if I'm wrong? If the police hadn't caught up with him - who's to say it wouldn't happen again? And again? Maybe now - you're right - he'll think more about what he's doing?

To me, it's not so much about perfection - more about common human decency. At the age of 15 you'd hope that he'd been taught at least some - not just go along with the rest of the gang like a tool. Like I said earlier, I'm not saying that everyone should turn into "have a go heroes" - we're not all like that and it's not always the best option.

Maybe I was brought up differently, but to do nothing at all. To just stand by and watch it happen and do nothing, or just simply walk away like it's not happening is not an option.

My original contribution to the thread was merely picking up on the point that the parent had implied that he should have just walked away - I didn't agree with that sentiment - that's all.

FATBALLZ

amersall wrote: »

.My friends brother 19 was set upon in broad daylight by two 15year olds two years ago, he was walking through a park with his mates minding his own business, he was kicked in the head so hard he suffered a fractured skull, his life support was turned off the next day. The thugs who did this got 120 hours community service each, because it could not be proven who dealt the fatal blow !

Wow, that makes me feel sick. I'd have lined them both up and shot them.

As for the topic at hand, obviously the OPs son is a nasty piece of work, and I hope he pays for what he has done. He is the vermin that is destroying society. Sick of hearing scum like this pleading 'it was the other boys that made me do it'. Disgusting.

mountainofdebt

I think there are a number of issues here.

Firstly the OP's son obviously needs to be punished but I think it has to be proportionate to the crime. How many times have there been newspaper reports where the punishment has been disproportionately light or, in some cases, harsh. A balance needs to be struck.



Secondly the OP needs to deal with her son afterwards so that his future isn't adversely affected by this incident so that he doesn't see a life of further crime as his only option in life. Immediately this means ensuring that his performance in GSCEs aren't compromised. Obviously if he has a speciifc career in mind then he will need to look into any consequences of whatever punishment is handed out.

If the son is genuinely remorseful then he needs to let everyone, including the victim, that and express that in not only words but deeds.

This is obviosuly a defining moment in the life of the OP's son; it needs to be handled correctly.