15year old son charged with robbery

poet123

feelingmyage wrote: »

Thanks for this information. I have made an appointment to see a solicitor later - will keep you informed . She did advise to always take up offer of a solicitor at a police station.( may help someone )

I echo this advice, the subject of cautions alone is an area where a lot of thought needs to be given. Have the CPS definitely decided to press charges or is a "conditional caution" on the cards?

"Simple" cautions are administered by the Police and "conditional "cautions by the CPS ( as the name implies they have condtions attached, such as stay out of a particular area, reparation to the victim etc) still not a great outcome,( because of the efffect on the future prospects of the offender) but better than the alternative if you are guilty (not of course if you are innocent)

ETA just re read the Op, as the son is only 15 he is too young for the youth conditional caution which is currently being piloted for 16/17 year olds in selected areas.

poet123

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

But he was involved, both legally and morally.

Would you advocate walking away in any circumstances - what about someone torturing an animal or abducting a toddler?

I think yes, but only because from that position they can get immediate help, if they challenge the perpetrators and are themselves turned on by older, bigger youths in a group situation, that will help no one and could endly badly for all concerned.

mrcow

Gingham_Ribbon wrote: »

You have no idea whether that's true or not. All you know is that the boy said he was too scared to do anything. Wouldn't it be great if we could all jump in and stand up for someone when something bad is happening but it doesn't always work out like that.

He's 15 years old, works hard at school and has never been in trouble before. He may be exactly what you say, but he may be a scared youngster who just didn't know what to do in a sudden, aggressive situation.

You're talking to his mum, by the way, who came here asking for help.

To stand by and watch - doing and saying nothing - whilst a smaller kid is being mugged by a gang of teenagers (that you are part of) is cowardly.

Walking away so you can run and tell someone is one thing - and if he'd done that then I wouldn't be having this conversation.

But he did nothing. Nothing. He is as culpable as the rest of them.

And yes - it's his mother I'm talking to. How do you think the mother of that 12 year old is feeling right now??

Gingham_Ribbon

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Would you advocate walking away in any circumstances - what about someone torturing an animal or abducting a toddler?

I'd advocate walking away (and getting help) in any situation where the youngster is at risk of being attacked by older boys. Who wouldn't?

mrcow wrote:

And yes - it's his mother I'm talking to. How do you think the mother of that 12 year old is feeling right now??

I can well imagine - but she's not the one on here asking for help. I don't think calling a boy who may well have simply been scared and unable to think quickly enough 'cowardly and revolting' does anything except put people off coming on here for help.

skiTTish

It may not seem like it now but believe me when I say the harsher he is dealt with now and the scarier it all all is for him the better it will do him in the long run .
Tell him you still love love but stand back a little and tell him he has to be responsible for his own actions and face the consequences .

amersall

pigpen wrote: »

How much would it have to be to be 'unacceptable' then?

10p? 50p? £1? his life?

A crime is a crime and should be treated as such.. especially as some of these boys are already known to police and have a record.

My cousin is out on license at the moment.. if he steals 5p he gets a 5 year stretch for it.. he started off spray painting walls and stealing penny sweets..

i fully agree, the point i was making is, it doesnt matter what you do and what it costs for court, solicitors etc, as there is no justice for any crime now, and no real deterrent. what a waste of money for no justice at the end of it.It is always the victims who lose out.My friends brother 19 was set upon in broad daylight by two 15year olds two years ago, he was walking through a park with his mates minding his own business, he was kicked in the head so hard he suffered a fractured skull, his life support was turned off the next day. The thugs who did this got 120 hours community service each, because it could not be proven who dealt the fatal blow !(the charge was abh) we are too soft in this country.

mrcow

Gingham_Ribbon wrote: »

I can well imagine - but she's not the one on here asking for help. I don't think calling a boy who may well have simply been scared and unable to think quickly enough 'cowardly and revolting' does anything except put people off coming on here for help.

Sorry - I can't think of any other words that better fit what he's been involved in.

I was a victim of a gang beating years back now when I was a teenager - whilst others just stood by and watched. Yes okay, the perpetrator was a nasty piece of work (was in Holloway for possession of arms by the time the police caught up with her) - but she was also at least twice my size - I didn't stand a chance. Someone could have said something - or at least worried enough to see if I was alright after she'd finished (I wasn't btw).

They were a bunch of cowards. Things like this don't just happen in the blink of an eye - he would have stood by and witnessed it and 100% understood what was going on.

I hope to God if you're avocating what's being defended here that you don't one day end up in the same position as this 12 year old's mother - or indeed my own mother on that night.

Gingham_Ribbon

mrcow wrote: »

I hope to God if you're avocating what's being defended here that you don't one day end up in the same position as this 12 year old's mother - or indeed my own mother on that night.

I don't understand your point here? I've made it clear that I think a child should get away and get help, immediately. What is being defended here and by whom?

mrcow

Gingham_Ribbon wrote: »

I don't understand your point here? I've made it clear that I think a child should get away and get help, immediately. What is being defended here and by whom?

Yet you're implying that he did all he could?

You have no idea whether that's true or not. All you know is that the boy said he was too scared to do anything. Wouldn't it be great if we could all jump in and stand up for someone when something bad is happening but it doesn't always work out like that.

He's 15 years old, works hard at school and has never been in trouble before. He may be exactly what you say, but he may be a scared youngster who just didn't know what to do in a sudden, aggressive situation.

Gingham_Ribbon

mrcow wrote: »

Yet you're implying that he did all he could?

How am I implying any such thing? He did nothing and needs to take the consequences of that. That doesn't mean that he necessarily deserves the names you threw at him nor that his mother, who has come here for help, needs to be spoken to like that.