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Technical definition of 'bulls' and 'bears'?
When_is_the_reset?
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Can anyone help me out with the definition of 'bulls' and 'bears'? By this I mean, is it what you think or what you want?
Can you be a bull by thinking that prices will rise but a bear by hoping they will fall or the other way round? Does that make you a bull or a bear?
What are you called if you think the market will be absolutely flat? hedgehog?
Seriously though - I would like to know.
Can you be a bull by thinking that prices will rise but a bear by hoping they will fall or the other way round? Does that make you a bull or a bear?
What are you called if you think the market will be absolutely flat? hedgehog?
Seriously though - I would like to know.
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Bullish is thinking something is in a moving upward value trend.
Bearish is thinking it is in a moving down in value trend.
But in reality on here it is not used correctly.
Many on here who thought falls of 20%-30% were classed as bulls. In reality they were bearish just not as bearish as some.
I still think prices will remain fairly stagnant for the next few years but I am still classed as a bull on here. In reality I would say that is a neither.0 -
When_is_the_reset? wrote: »Seriously though - I would like to know.
A bull is someone who expects the market to rise.
A bear is someone who expects the market to fall.
It is entirely possible to be bearish on a market short term, but bullish long term, or vice versa.
The terms bulls and bears have been hijacked by housing forums though, and are now commonly misused to mean a bull is someone who wants prices to rise, and a bear wants prices to fall.
So someone who owned property and would like to see price rises, but expected prices to fall in the short term, was wrongly categorised as being a bull, for example. Or someone who didn't own property, and wanted prices to fall, but accepted they would rise, was wrongly categorised as a bear.
And even now we see the same thing, with those who identify as "bears" buying property, clearly realising the market has troughed, but coming up with every excuse under the sun to maintain their status as a "bear" on web forums by claiming they still expect prices to fall......;)“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »A bear is someone who expects the market to fall.
The term supposedly comes from frontier Northern America where trappers would sell furs they didn't have when prices were good and then try and find a bear to make good on the deal.
I've never seen a credible story for bulls although there are plenty flying around the internet.
Nick Taleb makes a point about being in a meeting and saying he's bullish but that they should sell. His reasoning? He thinks the shares will rise and they will make a little money. However, if they fall he thinks they will fall a lot so the downside risk isn't worth it for the potential gain.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »
And even now we see the same thing, with those who identify as "bears" buying property, clearly realising the market has troughed, but coming up with every excuse under the sun to maintain their status as a "bear" on web forums by claiming they still expect prices to fall......;)
Including their iconic leader The Schiffster
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Bulls are avaricious, self interested HPi cheerleaders with thoughts for no-one other than their own portfolio. They can be distinguished by drooling every time any report is released advising that prices are up, their multitude of BTL's (all bought around the trough), & a number of platinum cards.
Bears are paranoid/delusional beings, who spend time hoping for armageddon. They can be distinguished by the tin foil hats, dark rings round the eyes, wheelbarrows full of baked beans and nuclear bunker. They usually are telling all & sundry everything will fall.It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
In terms of housing
Bulls - selfish individuals who only think about themselves
Bears - group oriented people who beleive in community0 -
lemonjelly wrote: »
Bears are paranoid/delusional beings, who spend time hoping for armageddon. They can be distinguished by the tin foil hats, dark rings round the eyes, wheelbarrows full of baked beans and nuclear bunker. They usually are telling all & sundry everything will fall.
Favourite films include Shaun of the Dead, Planet of the Apes. The Day After Tomorrow and Armageddon oh and the one that hasn't been made yet, The Day The Oil Ran Out :eek:'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Including their iconic leader The Schiffster
And HPC pin-up girl and Moneyweek editor, Merryn Somersett Webb.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
In terms of housing
Bulls - selfish individuals who only think about themselves
Bears - group oriented people who beleive in community
Unless you are a young member of the community that bought a house in 2007, then you are voodoo dolled and hexed to permanently live in thing called negative something or other.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »And HPC pin-up girl and Moneyweek editor, Merryn Somersett Webb.
Forgot about her then again we have a couple of our own. 'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0
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