engine size and travel distance

Cool_Username

flyingscotno1 wrote: »

Yep forget looking solely at engine size you need to compare it along with power. The Skoda Octavia is running a 1.2l TSI engine- might be 1.2 but as others say they have turbochargers- similar to what diesel has being doing for years. As such it kicks out 105bhp, which is alright for the Octavia in my experience. My 1.6 diesel is more powerful than my old 1.9. Same all round- American cars are noted for having ridiculous cubic capacities compared to power.

Sorry to go off topic but are they REALLY putting 1200 engines into massive Skoda Octavias now!?

Lum

The trend is more towards smaller engines with forced induction to make up the power loss, thanks to ever more stringent emissions regulations.

eg that silly twincharged 1.4 Golf that came out a while back.

flyingscotno1

thescouselander wrote: »

Just had a look at the website and the 1.4 TFSI engine in the Passat puts out 122 ps - not enough for a car of that size in my opinion. Even worse the 1.6 diesel only puts out 105 ps!

Depends how rapid you want a car to be. 120bhp is not going to be too bad- not performance, but I've been in an A4 with 130bhp and I thought it was fine and quite decent!

Cool_Username wrote: »

Sorry to go off topic but are they REALLY putting 1200 engines into massive Skoda Octavias now!?

Not yet in the UK, but was released in Ireland last year. http://new.skoda-auto.com/IRL/about/info/news/News/Pages/new12TSIOctavia.aspx.

Having driven Octavias with less HP than the 1.2 (Even took one from Switzerland to Scotland), they are alright and more than capable of keeping up with traffic flow, if not rapid. Nice comfortable cruisers good on fuel.

cyclonebri1

thescouselander wrote: »

The trouble is with a big car you can fit in a lot of stuff so with a fully loaded car the size of a passat 105 BHP is going to be inadiquate - especially if trying to go up hill at high speed on the motorway.

Mine is a megane estate 1460dci 106hp, bought for it's economy and load carrying, there isn't an uphill section of motorway I've found that I couldn't hit 100mph fully loaded if I wanted, and more practically pulls very well from 80. And I went from a string 2ltr petrol cars

thescouselander

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Mine is a megane estate 1460dci 106hp, bought for it's economy and load carrying, there isn't an uphill section of motorway I've found that I couldn't hit 100mph fully loaded if I wanted, and more practically pulls very well from 80. And I went from a string 2ltr petrol cars

I just don't believe it - what you're saying is impossible with such a low amount of power. Perhaps your idea of satisfactory performance is just different to mine.

LandyAndy

Cool_Username wrote: »

Sorry to go off topic but are they REALLY putting 1200 engines into massive Skoda Octavias now!?

And 1.4s in the Superb.

cyclonebri1

thescouselander wrote: »

I just don't believe it - what you're saying is impossible with such a low amount of power. Perhaps your idea of satisfactory performance is just different to mine.

You know mate, there's a term widely used in motor sport circles, and it applies equally on the road;

"Power wins pub arguments, torque wins races" ????????????????????

The motorway network is not a performance track, adequate acceleration is all that is needed.


Oh, my last track car weighed in at 635Kg, had approaching 250bhp from a NA |Vx engine. Nothing under 60K could even shadow it on the road or track.
I understand "satisfactory performance", and I understand where it's needed and where it's not.

Can I ask, have you ever owned, (rather than just "dont believe it", shades of Victor here), a small engined modern diesel? You may say yes, but I honestly wouldn't believe you either.

motorguy

thescouselander wrote: »

The trouble is with a big car you can fit in a lot of stuff so with a fully loaded car the size of a passat 105 BHP is going to be inadiquate - especially if trying to go up hill at high speed on the motorway.

Well, i guess thats down to buying decision then - if you need to run fully loaded then it would probably be best get a higher powered model. Mines the 110BHP model and its fine for the daily commute, but its certainly no 'ball of fire'. But then i get 65mpg per tank, so you pays your money....

motorguy

MORPH3US wrote: »

I also bought a brand new one in 2007 (57 reg) with the 1.4 petrol engine.

Still have it now and get 40mpg out of it.

I do agree with the power though, even the 1.4 is below average.

I think the 1.25 engine is underpowered for the body. You have to be pushing it on too much just to get it to keep up with traffic.

The 1.4 is probably the better size.

motorguy

Lum wrote: »

The trend is more towards smaller engines with forced induction to make up the power loss, thanks to ever more stringent emissions regulations.

eg that silly twincharged 1.4 Golf that came out a while back.

"that silly twincharged 1.4" is probably the best engine VW make at the moment. Its the way forward with engines and emissions.