Do you think we have a right to unrestricted internet?

Widelats

williham wrote: »

Don't be rediculous. Hardly anyone will actually get caught but the ones that do will be downloading illegally. They also won't get cut off unless they ignore warning letters so it's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

This only affects people that download illegally, because unsurprisingly, it's illegal!

Youtube will never be blocked by the way, lol!

I hope your right, but if your wrong and i am right, then i look forward to fighting the govornment with whoever will stand beside me

Widelats

kwikbreaks wrote: »

> they are going to disconnect anyone who infringes copyright,

This may indeed be the intention.

There is a vast gulf between an intention and an ability - especially so when it comes to something like copyright infringement over the internet.

I'm sure "they" also intend to endorse the licence of anybody speeding. Remember the government controls all the roads - does exceeding a speed limit automatically result in a fine and an endorsement? Unless "they" install the equivalent of the great firewall of China there is no way that the government is going to even monitor let alone control what happens on the internet.

As the apparently humourless poster above mentioned there are simple technical mechanisms around what seems to be an intent to harvest IP addresses from P2P swarms and force ISPs to issue cease and desist notices to their customers who get fingered. Anybody intent on infringing copyright is going to discover how pretty easily even without any technical abilities beyond using google.

Thanks for this useful post, that is what i was looking for.

Equaliser123

Widelats wrote: »

I hope your right, but if your wrong and i am right, then i look forward to fighting the govornment with whoever will stand beside me

Far too much time on your hands.

gonzo127

williham wrote: »

Don't be rediculous. Hardly anyone will actually get caught but the ones that do will be downloading illegally. They also won't get cut off unless they ignore warning letters so it's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

This only affects people that download illegally, because unsurprisingly, it's illegal!

Youtube will never be blocked by the way, lol!

Unfortunately the DEB has the basic set up that allows copyright holders to apply for bans to any website that hosts infringing material, which you tube has a lot of, yes they try to get rid of it when they can however you know this will not be enough for the copyright holders,

The other problem is the technology that will be employed to track P2P downloader’s is flawed, and has already been banned in other countries

the ability to trace an IP on a P2P network doesn’t work, many P2P networks spoof random IP's into the tracker to 'throw off' traces, so when the software which tracks them picks up the spoofed (fake) IP it can actually be anyone’s no matter if they are not even downloading.

So imagine this
A P2P network has decided to use YOUR IP in the tracker,
The information gets picked up by the software,
Your ISP has to release your name etc and you get a letter,
So you contact them and say hey it wasn’t me!
They say prove it!
eeerrrmmmm how?
Well you can’t because they have the 'proof' your IP downloaded it,
The P2P network carries on using your IP and bobs your uncle your net access is cut.

This bill is set up so that you are guilty until proven innocent

williham

gonzo127 wrote: »

Unfortunately the DEB has the basic set up that allows copyright holders to apply for bans to any website that hosts infringing material, which you tube has a lot of, yes they try to get rid of it when they can however you know this will not be enough for the copyright holders,

The other problem is the technology that will be employed to track P2P downloader’s is flawed, and has already been banned in other countries

the ability to trace an IP on a P2P network doesn’t work, many P2P networks spoof random IP's into the tracker to 'throw off' traces, so when the software which tracks them picks up the spoofed (fake) IP it can actually be anyone’s no matter if they are not even downloading.

So imagine this
A P2P network has decided to use YOUR IP in the tracker,
The information gets picked up by the software,
Your ISP has to release your name etc and you get a letter,
So you contact them and say hey it wasn’t me!
They say prove it!
eeerrrmmmm how?
Well you can’t because they have the 'proof' your IP downloaded it,
The P2P network carries on using your IP and bobs your uncle your net access is cut.

This bill is set up so that you are guilty until proven innocent

Youtube is ran by Google and they already have quite a good system in place where copyright holders can flag videos as illegal without having to contact Youtube for them to do it. Google would obviously never let their site get closed down, nor would anyone ever try and close it down, don't forget it makes the copyright holders money by showing their adverts and film trailers etc.

It is unlikely that this is how the process will work - the ISPs can see what sort of usage you have on your account and I would have thought the process will involve them and not just IP addresses. There's an awful lot of scaremongering when things like this happen, everyone needs to just relax!

Widelats

Well if we have a fight on our hands in the near future you can count on me to sign any petition and do anything necessary to stop the censorship of the free internet, maybe if the copyrighters were sued for infringing our right to free internet? Maybe that would work, they would back down then at the prospect of paying out to everyone.

1socrates1

In my opinion people should be allowed to download movies without restriction as long as its, for arguments sake, 20 years old.