Neets 'should not get benefits', say MPs

The_White_Horse

Degenerate wrote: »

Yeah, I suppose such social problems didn't exist before 1997... Actually, if you're looking place blame for the existence of our benefit-dependent underclass, the mass youth unemployment of the 1980s would be a good starting point.

As for the neets, I think we should give them all shovels and wheelbarrows and get them patching up the potholes in our roads.

that is a good idea - except labours health and saefty nonsense would stop it dead.

carolt

nickmason wrote: »

Thank you. A lot of people I know have got similar stories. In part that is self-selection, and I try and avoid thinking that my good fortune is entirely of my own making, and I know a number of people who just seem to be unlucky, or but I think that it's a good thing to let others know of examples of what can happen if you try, rather than wait for good fortune.

Absolutely. I don't think I would have had the initiative to do what you did until I was in my 30's; partly lack of confidence, partly lack of suitable role models, partly lack of ideas.

I think it's great to see your experience, because until one sees that these can be done, it just doesn't occur to most people to try.

lostinrates

carolt wrote: »

Absolutely. I don't think I would have had the initiative to do what you did until I was in my 30's; partly lack of confidence, partly lack of suitable role models, partly lack of ideas.

I think it's great to see your experience, because until one sees that these can be done, it just doesn't occur to most people to try.

I think people like Nick are remarkable. But I also think its harder nowadays. (I'm old enough to do that line Aren't I?) The initial stages of trying to set up business with not disimilar amouts of money to those I had when I last did this, is proving a lot harder, there was no problem getting work when I was a kid for cashflow, nor volunteering for experience, yet on the other thread a woman explains the plight of her son trying to volunteer for experience...

there was no problem babysitting/odd jobbing when I was a kid, where as it seems from what I read on MSE its harder now...being a self starter looking for little jobs is a huge learning curve and stage of development, far more important than the money earned IMO.
It is my opinion initiative is being stifled by bureaucracy in many ways today.

dave4545454

MPs 'should not get benefits/expenses', say Neets

ninky_2

do young mums count as neets do you think?

treliac

ninky wrote: »

do young mums count as neets do you think?

Of course not... it's a paid occupation and comes with live-in accommodation doncha know.

SingleSue

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i bet when you look at the 15% they are all from scum households. the same way that in 6 years on my development, the only times police have ever been called was because of the scum social housing.

this country will never improve until people accept that there are many many many layabout, workshy money grabbing scum bags out there who need a massive wake up call. i think most people have a much bigger problem with scum than with immigrants.

who would i rather live next door to - a polish family that all work or a layabout benefit scrounging beer swilling staffie owning English bunch of scum bag low lifes? I don't think it even needs answering.

Lets hope the next Govt sorts out Generation S (S as in Scum).

Down with the scum...

Just because a person lives in social housing, it doesn't make them scum.
Just because a person lives in social housing doesn't mean they don't work.
Just because a person lives in social housing doesn't mean they are lazy layabouts.

PasturesNew

Cleaver wrote: »

Just out of interest, what jobs did everone do between the ages of about 15 to 21? I did:

Paper-round
Washing up in the canteen of a shower factory
Night work unloading and loading lorries at a distribution warehouse
Cocktail barman (I was sh*t at that, kept dropping everything)
Worked behind the bar in a traditional pub
Worked for the council teaching kids to play football and took them on trips (that was ace)
Door to door cold calling and selling double glazing (quit after a day, it was awful)
Night porter in a large hotel
Waiter
Did a few weeks labouring for a gypsy family who did drives. Which was interesting.

Apart from "proper jobs" that I did from 18, from 15-21 I've certainly done:
- Babysitting
- Temping as an office clerk in school holidays
- Saturday job first in the Co-Op on the meat counter, then in a jewellers
- Petrol forecourt cashier (one of 3 jobs at the same time)
- Inbound call taker for contact magazines (yes, dirty old men phoning in wanting the magazine to be sent to them)
- Foot canvasser for double glazing
- Cold calling for double glazing by telephone
- Door knocking to sign people up to take doorstep milk deliveries
- Washing up (by hand) in a local pub that served food
- Picker in a warehouse (you go round with a trolley picking individual items off the shelves to match the orders)
- Nightclub cloakroom assistant and glass collector
- Fruit picking (plums)
- Teaching shorthand one-to-one in clients' homes
- Working in a corner shop (just one Easter weekend, 6 mile bike ride each way, four 12 hour days over Easter, took home £3.50/day) .... tight b4st4rd. I was 14 then.

vivatifosi

My crap jobs resume:

Babysitting (from age 12)
Paper round (from age 14)
Shop work (BhS and Woolworths)
Cleaning offices
DJ at parties
Mucking out horses (yes there is such a thing as a free ride)
Hand writing letters to lonely hearts (yes I was employed to do this)
School library prefect (no surprise there)
I also ran a gambling club in the sixth form until I got told off for it (just being an entrepreneur)

Cleaver

vivatifosi wrote: »

Hand writing letters to lonely hearts (yes I was employed to do this)

That's an interesting one. Who employed you to do that and how did it actually work?