Neets 'should not get benefits', say MPs

treliac

Cleaver wrote: »

I think a lot of it is your upbringing.....

I'm proud to say that my dd tells us that we (her dad and I) have taught her the work ethic.

It reinforces, too, how the opposite can be true in families where there is no work ethic!

treliac

carolt wrote: »

Can you tell us any details?

:rotfl:I came away to post again. I'm sure it will be well broadcast.

carolt

Cleaver wrote: »

Just out of interest, what jobs did everone do between the ages of about 15 to 21? I did:

Paper-round
Washing up in the canteen of a shower factory
Night work unloading and loading lorries at a distribution warehouse
Cocktail barman (I was sh*t at that, kept dropping everything)
Worked behind the bar in a traditional pub
Worked for the council teaching kids to play football and took them on trips (that was ace)
Door to door cold calling and selling double glazing (quit after a day, it was awful)
Night porter in a large hotel
Waiter
Did a few weeks labouring for a gypsy family who did drives. Which was interesting.

Shop assistant, filing, bar work, cleaning, baby sitting.

Plus too much studying.

At Oxford in my day, we actually weren't allowed to work during term-time/short hols - were supposed to get tutor's permission for this. The idea being there was just too much studying to be done.

I'm sure that's changed now, though, for obvious economic reasons.

lostinrates

CLAPTON wrote: »

all the many people I know in London either catch a bus/tube or walk home at night... however else are they to get home? (and they all go out regularly)

You don't know me then. Although I would still happily walk acroos much of London at night; a night bus? No way. Too many unpleasant experiences. When I lived in London and had younger cousin and or sil staying I would ask them to either call us or get a taxi home at night. One of he problems is of course, people who drink to non-sense stage then expect to get home unscathed all the time. We have to maintain some responsibility for ourselves, but none the less, the night bus is often not pleasant.

Cleaver

carolt wrote: »

At Oxford in my day, we actually weren't allowed to work during term-time/short hols - were supposed to get tutor's permission for this. The idea being there was just too much studying to be done.

I'm sure that's changed now, though, for obvious economic reasons.

Gosh, you would hope so. If you leave Uni nowadays with no work experience under your belt I would argue that you're not really fit for employment, or would at least need a lot of support in your first job.

I learned skills and had experiences in all of those jobs ages 15 to 21 that I still draw on a lot today. Real world stuff, you can't beat it.

Percy1983

As somebody who has only been out of work for 2 weeks since I left school (26 now) I can honestly say I would seek voluntary work if I couldn't find anything paid (I nearly did in the 2 weeks mentioned above).

I do believe there should be some sort of community service if you are able to work and wish to claim benefits.

We really need to get rid of this reward for nothing culture.

But as mentioned why not apply this to all age groups?

lostinrates

Cleaver wrote: »

Just out of interest, what jobs did everone do between the ages of about 15 to 21? I did:

Paper-round
Washing up in the canteen of a shower factory
Night work unloading and loading lorries at a distribution warehouse
Cocktail barman (I was sh*t at that, kept dropping everything)
Worked behind the bar in a traditional pub
Worked for the council teaching kids to play football and took them on trips (that was ace)
Door to door cold calling and selling double glazing (quit after a day, it was awful)
Night porter in a large hotel
Waiter
Did a few weeks labouring for a gypsy family who did drives. Which was interesting.

riding (horses) for money/plus other horsey jobs
babysitting
performing arts
researcher (while undergrad and post grad)
worked in a shop
worked on a farm
teaching (practical subjects)
bar work

there are others, I'm sure, just can't remember them. I also set up my business while an undergrad.

eta: supermarket shelf stacking....I actually found this strangly satisfying as it involved lots of making things neat, you didn't have to sit still and your mind was free....

treliac

Cleaver wrote: »

Just out of interest, what jobs did everone do between the ages of about 15 to 21?

From the age of 13 (did 4 hours on a Sat pm then) I worked in shops, a fast food place and various temping office jobs (via employment agency). During my first post qual job, I supplemented my income by bar work (so I could get out as well as pay the mortgage on my one bed flat).

DD and DS have both kept some sort of income coming in whilst being students at school and in HE. They've both managed to get shop, cafe and cleaning jobs and have both traipsed round the local towns handing out their CVs and being first on the phone when the local paper comes out in order to do so.

Edit: I should add on DD's babysitting and DS's voluntary work too! Edit again: both of them went back to do extra unpaid work in the placements they had done their school work experience too.


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kennyboy66_2

Cleaver wrote: »

Just out of interest, what jobs did everone do between the ages of about 15 to 21? I did:

Paper-round
Washing up in the canteen of a shower factory
Night work unloading and loading lorries at a distribution warehouse
Cocktail barman (I was sh*t at that, kept dropping everything)
Worked behind the bar in a traditional pub
Worked for the council teaching kids to play football and took them on trips (that was ace)
Door to door cold calling and selling double glazing (quit after a day, it was awful)
Night porter in a large hotel
Waiter
Did a few weeks labouring for a gypsy family who did drives. Which was interesting.

Plenty - but the hardest was working on a farm during harvest (bales of hay / straw). The hardest days work I have ever had by a country mile - didn't make it back the next day. I could barely lift a cup of tea to my mouth.

kennyboy66_2

lostinrates wrote: »

riding (horses) for money

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Paid to ride a horse ?

Have only sat on a horse properly once, but does it get any better than being paid for your hobby ?