Neets 'should not get benefits', say MPs

misskool

ninky wrote: »

you miss my point lir which was to say that i think working rather than studying is still frowned on at oxford.

of course non rich people go to oxford and find ways and means. and many will have (frowned on) jobs. but i don't think we can class cameron and osborne as non-rich people.

Having actually been there (and still have rather a lot of ties there), I love how everyone thinks Oxbridge set is full of toffs and that you're a better quality layabout that the others.

The university is bigger and more diverse than the Bullingdon Club. People do work, there are lots of 'normal' students and it is certainly not frowned upon to have jobs. One of the better jobs would be working for g&d's (yum yum yum) or at the PT or the various student pubs. Many students work in other colleges for formal hall nights, they are lots of jobs to do.

ninky_2

carolt wrote: »

I don't see how what was discussed in the OP can result in those people being without an income - the whole point is they'd get the identical benefits to the ones they currently get; just they'd have to work for them by being in education or training. Assuming they couldn't get a job. Which would surely give them a greater chance of getting a job in the future, and less time or motivation to get involved in criminal activity?

i think the article suggests they'd actually get more benefits than they currently get. which is all well and good but where are the education and training places going to come from? there are already young people on waiting lists for courses. colleges have had funding slashed. and unemployment is on the rise.

work for benefits i agree with. but why just limit it to the young?

daveyjp

carolt wrote: »

But at the end of the day, it's a wrong-headed incentive problem.

If that 15% suddenly had no cash at all - no benefits whatsoever, then they'd find the option of voluntary work/training etc, even if they couldn't immediately get a job, a hell of a lot more appealing.

I suspect the 15% would prettty quickly reduce to near 0%.

So you believe that NEETS only source of income is benefits?

Never heard of the black economy? Many NEETS have found ways of surviving and they dont need to be in education, employment or training.

Del boy and Rodders are alive and well all over this land.

The_White_Horse

i bet when you look at the 15% they are all from scum households. the same way that in 6 years on my development, the only times police have ever been called was because of the scum social housing.

this country will never improve until people accept that there are many many many layabout, workshy money grabbing scum bags out there who need a massive wake up call. i think most people have a much bigger problem with scum than with immigrants.

who would i rather live next door to - a polish family that all work or a layabout benefit scrounging beer swilling staffie owning English bunch of scum bag low lifes? I don't think it even needs answering.

Lets hope the next Govt sorts out Generation S (S as in Scum).

Down with the scum...

Snooze

the_article wrote:

They said the Dutch equivalent of jobseeker's allowance was dependent on being in work

:huh:

Is it just me, or... ?

ninky_2

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i bet when you look at the 15% they are all from scum households. .

there are currently 80 000 children in care in this country. i would say they probably make up a disproportionate amount too. as someone who was lucky enough to grow up with two parents, neither on benefits and never knew hunger, neglect or abuse as a child i tend to hope for a society that will look after those who are less fortunate. even if that means paying more taxes.

nickmason

misskool wrote: »

Having actually been there (and still have rather a lot of ties there), I love how everyone thinks Oxbridge set is full of toffs and that you're a better quality layabout that the others.

The university is bigger and more diverse than the Bullingdon Club. People do work, there are lots of 'normal' students and it is certainly not frowned upon to have jobs. One of the better jobs would be working for g&d's (yum yum yum) or at the PT or the various student pubs. Many students work in other colleges for formal hall nights, they are lots of jobs to do.

Not sure whether it proves that Oxford is normal that so many people on this board have been there. Although it seems that Misskool's experience suggests that things have relaxed slightly since the late 90s.

As for the PT, the Purple Turtle - a bar underneath the Oxford Union - I was part of the team that set it up, and remember having Michael Heseltine come for its opening, as the man who had opened its predecessor. It was a wonderful experience, watching very intelligent but not very street-smart students negotiating, badly, with two nightclub "impressarios" - door takings, preferred bouncers, club-nights, the works. It was a quite an education, but not the classical Oxford one.

Snooze

treliac wrote: »

carolt, I was just about to post this!

How do we create a future for the 15% of 16 - 24 year olds :eek: who go straight from school onto benefits. How do we steer them away from a lifetime of dependency?

Vote anyone but Labour. They created this whole mess.

nickmason

carolt wrote: »

Impressive initiative.

Sounds well-deserved.

Thank you. A lot of people I know have got similar stories. In part that is self-selection, and I try and avoid thinking that my good fortune is entirely of my own making, and I know a number of people who just seem to be unlucky, or but I think that it's a good thing to let others know of examples of what can happen if you try, rather than wait for good fortune.

Degenerate

Snooze wrote: »

Vote anyone but Labour. They created this whole mess.

Yeah, I suppose such social problems didn't exist before 1997... Actually, if you're looking place blame for the existence of our benefit-dependent underclass, the mass youth unemployment of the 1980s would be a good starting point.

As for the neets, I think we should give them all shovels and wheelbarrows and get them patching up the potholes in our roads.