MSE News: Illegal music downloaders face internet blackout

theosnw

Anyone who thinks this will stop people downloading music and video for free is sadly mistaken. As stated before by a few other users - WiFihotspots, proxys, encrypted traffic and your own unsecure wifi connections will be easy pickings for anyone wanting to access 'illegal' content. There's no chance of enforcing this and there's a million ways around it. Alot of people who distribute illegal material for free are actually helping the music industry via promoting the said material.

How is it that record sales are still breaking records if illegal downloads are so rampant. Live shows are the bread and butter of bands and live performers and untill we can illegally download tickets and wristbands there is no threat to the industry.

Your sadly mistaken if you think that the these 'leeches' are making things worse for people, the whole of the dance music industry relies on the distribution of legal/illegal files to make a name for yourself.

No file sharing - No free promotion - No chance of exposure.

FACT.

Illegal downloading is bad when its sold on for a profit.

teddyco

The government doesn't have the right to determine whether something is legal or illegal, that is the responsibility of the court system using proper jurisprudence. Failing to allow a citizen the right to defend themselves is to violate the foundation of our democracy.

What if someone has their broadband hacked and someone else downloads illegal songs and movies? It is the responsibility of the State to prove that a crime has been committed, and those who are charged have the right to defend themselves before they are charged as guilty and before punishment is administered.

Mandelson is a nazi pure and simple!

This is just another example of how Britain has lost yet more civil rights under Labour.

donny909

This is all rather interesting and the question that bugs me more than anything was almost asked of the last half hour of the debate for the DEB.

Anyone recall I think it was Austin Mitchell (lab) asking the minister "what am i supposed to do when someone sits outside my house in a car with there laptop downloading anything illigal?". To which the minister replied "we would send out a letter to the subscriber suggesting they password secure there connection".

What should have been asked after that was "what if my connection was already password protected and that connection had been hacked to use it for illigal downloading?"

But simply put that question would not and cannot have an answer to it. If I were so inclined I could easily google the information and hack any secure connection in an hour or less. As there is no such thing as a secure wireless connection and that's the who problem. If anyone downloading illigal content wanted to protect there actions and identity all they need do is use a neighbours connection and they would be safe.

This could all end up branding millions of innocent net users criminals, costing them jobs, families, marrages and homes by the way fines, net cut-offs, branded criminals etc.

Or can we take the line "we would send out a letter to the subscriber suggesting they password secure there connection" by the minister last week as just that. Meaning if we have a wireless connection that's secured by the suggestion of the bill\minister then no action can be taken because people will have followed the instruction of the bill to the best of there ability?.

Of cause there will be no let-off if a connection is secure and hacked. But that's the very question they will have to deal with if and when the first legal cases end up in court.

cliffski

Christ what ill-informed drivel.

99.99% of copyright infringement is done through P2P or through anonymous file hosting. The compelte and utter pathetic drivel that "but kids will sit outside the front doors of people and hack into their networks!!!111111" is simply pathetic.
Firstly it is in YOUR INTEREST to secure your wireless inetrnet, to prevent hackers snopping on you anyway.
Secondly, the idea that kids will sit there 24/7 downloading gigabytes of movies through your connection without you noticing is laughable.
Secondly, are any of you pro-piracy 'theft is great!' kids actually even VAGUELY aware of what the bill contains?

It asks for a system to be put in place where copyright owners can arrnage for the ISP to send warning letters to repeat-infringers. After the FIFTY SECOND instance that ahs been reported by post, they will consider the imposition of technical measures. Firstly, the limiting of bandwidth, and then after the idiots continue to blatantly steal music and movies even after this, it would eventually resort to disconnection, and you would be well within your rights to contest it in court.

You people think this is unreasonable?
Get a life.

I am happy to have a system where the court is introduced on day 1, on the first offence, if you prefer that? I'm sure you are all entirely innocent and not thieves, and able to argue this convincingly in court, with the ISP records showing what you downloaded. Because none of you are just trying to cover the fact that you steal music and movies and expect the rest of us to subsidise your lifestyle right?

Truly sad.

MiserlyMartin

MP's do not understand anything technical. Most are clueless as the move to DAB illustrates. And now file sharing. These measures are draconian.

MiserlyMartin

theosnw wrote: »

the whole of the dance music industry relies on the distribution of legal/illegal files to make a name for yourself.

No file sharing - No free promotion - No chance of exposure.

FACT.

Thats very true. If DJ's can't get hold of up and coming dance tunes, then these acts will not get played out and about or on pirate radio. And pirate radio has launched many an acts career.

REDBULL_jmc

does this mean all the libraries will be shut down for sharing books afterall they are also copyright material. Why don't the government take thwe same approach and accept that file sharing will not go away.
Allow material to be distributed freely on the condition it can no longer be played after a set amount of time using drm and 90% of filesharing will stop.
People lose all respect for the law when it no longer makes sense and thats whats happening now.
Begin the revolution!

keith969

This is a stupid and ill-thought out bill. Let's see what the internet industry thinks:

Felix Geyr, Head of O2 Home and Broadband:

"O2 supports the important principle of protecting copyright but we believe the new legal requirements for internet service providers to send warning letters - and if they don't work take more serious action, including disconnecting customers - are a red herring.
The internet has brought about profound changes to the way we all live and work. New companies and industries have been created, and many long established companies have embraced the internet and are thriving in the new digital age. Others have found out the hard way what happens when you fail to move with the times.
It may sound harsh but that's life in a market economy and that's what happens when a technology revolution takes place. Some people vainly try to prop up the old system - like the luddites who smashed up the mechanical looms during the industrial revolution - while others recognise that change is inevitable and adapt to a new model.
The real solution to unlawful file sharing is not to send threatening letters or to cut people off from the internet. It is to come up with new products and services that give consumers the content they want, how they want it, and for a fair price.
So our message to the music company and film industry lobbyists who have been campaigning so hard for this change in the law is simple: you've got what you wanted. Now wake up, smell the coffee, and start really focusing on giving customers what they want."




Andrew Heaney, (Director of strategy and regulation) TalkTalk:


"Many draconian proposals remain such as the responsibility on customers to protect their home networks from hacking at a collective cost of hundreds of millions of pounds a year, the presumption that they are guilty unless they can prove themselves innocent and, as in China, the potential for legitimate search engines and websites to be blocked.
This is made all the more appalling by the ability of big music and film companies to influence government and the absence of any proper debate or scrutiny by MPs – only 5% of MPs turned up for the brief debate yesterday and the other important Parliamentary stages will be bypassed in the wash-up process.
TalkTalk will continue to battle against these oppressive proposals – they will require 'secondary legislation' before they can be implemented.
After the election we will resume highlighting the substantial dangers inherent in the proposals and that the hoped for benefits in legitimate sales will not materialise as filesharers will simply switch to other undetectable methods to get content for free.
In the meantime we stand by our pledges to our customers:

• Unless we are served with a court order we will never surrender a customer's details to rightsholders. We are the only major ISP to have taken this stance and we will maintain it.
• If we are instructed to disconnect an account due to alleged copyright infringement we will refuse to do so and tell the rightsholders we’ll see them in court."

cliffski

REDBULL_jmc wrote: »

Begin the revolution!

so you can get free music?
che guevara would be proud of you kid.... or maybe not.

cliffski

keith969 wrote: »

This is a stupid and ill-thought out bill. Let's see what the internet industry thinks:

and then you quote an ISP. People who MAKE MONEY from people filesharing ebcause they charge for bandwidth.

lets see what other industries and other IT companies think shall we?

Like Microsoft?
or EA Games?
or Adobe?
or Ubisoft?
or Sony, or BMG, or pretty much any movie, TV, print media or music company that ever existed....

What one sided nonsense. At least have the guts to admit you are too cheapskate to pay for movies and music and think you are entitled to steal it. At least thats being honest with yourself...