MSE News: Illegal music downloaders face internet blackout

jamespir

Question to the MP's whats more illegal me downloading a film/music then going out to buy it or claiming for a house i dont bloody own or claimimg 95 pounds for a lunch that cost a tenner

Dinosteveus

jamespir wrote: »

Question to the MP's whats more illegal me downloading a film/music then going out to buy it or claiming for a house i dont bloody own or claimimg 95 pounds for a lunch that cost a tenner

The difference is those !!!!! can get away with it, you will be hung, drawn and quartered. That's after the Police have 'dealt' with you in their own special way.

mrsyorkie

MikeyH wrote: »

This is the obious result of the new laws. As soon as I discovered that my ISP had kept copies of all of my emails back to 2002, I immediately encrypted all of my internet traffic. This will, as it did in Sweden, wake many more people up to the need to do so.

This is very interesting. How do you do this and who was your ISP and how did you find out they kept copies of your emails?

freeoffers

scotsbob wrote: »

The bill will mean that anyone accessing the internet has to provide ID, you will not be able to access wifi in a bar, cafe, shopping centre, train etc unless you can do so.
The bill gives the government the authority to block acces to any Web site they want, just like they have done with the National Enquirer site to prevent UK citizens getting information about Iraq.

I tried going to the national enquirer website and got a message the site was unavailable.
i used a proxy and the site is fine. shocked to see that this is happening in this country.

MyUserNamesTaken

freeoffers wrote: »

I tried going to the national enquirer website and got a message the site was unavailable.
i used a proxy and the site is fine. shocked to see that this is happening in this country.

I just tried it too. "Wow" is all I can say. Had it not been mentioned on here, I'd never have known!

http://freeproxyserver.net gets me around crap like that.

Incidentally, it's nothing to do with Her Majesty's Government. This is why it's happening:

"The apology – and damages – would not have been made if The National Enquirer did not have a web presence to accompany its print edition.

In the UK, libel laws are more plaintiff-friendly than in other countries including the US. Increasingly, celebrity lawyers are suing on the basis of UK web readers of stories. Although some efforts to sue on these grounds have failed because a story was viewed by only a handful of British web users, the recent case for Ms Diaz shows that the bar is not high: the article in question was only viewed 279 times from UK internet addresses, according to lawyers for the UK arm of the Enquirer.

The UK government has not asked the The National Enquirer to stop publishing in the country, but the publication is now blocking its web edition to British viewers. With more US lawyers and others familiar with the opportunities offered by a plaintiff-friendly UK court system – something which also applies to Ireland and some other European countries – other publishers may also seek to limit access by British readers.

“The Enquirer has cut off access to their publication in the UK,” said Niri Shan, a partner specialising in media law at Taylor Wessing, who now acts for The National Enquirer’s UK publisher. “You are getting more and more such vetting, with publishers having to censor what they make available in the UK because of the differences in the laws.”

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/205232f6-d269-11db-a7c0-000b5...

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article6908079.ece?print=yes&randnum=1151003209000

meher

a culture made illegal

Dinosteveus

meher wrote: »

a culture made illegal

You ought to give people a hint as to what your link is or they may not click on it.

About this talk
Larry Lessig, the Net’s most celebrated lawyer, cites John Philip Sousa, celestial copyrights and the "ASCAP cartel" in his argument for reviving our creative culture.

About Larry Lessig
Stanford professor Larry Lessig is one of our foremost authorities on copyright issues, with a vision for reconciling creative freedom with marketplace competition

Interesting, but it goes on a bit.

Blacksheep1979

Conrad wrote: »

Very:D

Why do so many expect other peoples fruits for free?
Can I pop round to thiers and help myself to some chatels?
No, ok then, instead can they come and toil away on my garden - for free of course - it's a 2 way street.:rotfl:

Ok, using your analogy - is your garden completely secure? If not you do realise you could be banned from gardening if someone breaks in and steals fruit via your garden?

There's also the part that you just have to be 'accused' by the interest owner and you don't really get a chance to defend yourself - no innocent until proven guilty here.

ALIBOBSY

In alot of ways both the music industry and the movie industry shot themselves in the foot by being seriously greedy.
EG a big blockbuster film has already covered its costs and made a profit at the cinema so they could easily sell them on DVD's at say a £5 and still make a profit.
When cd's came out the cost of production we were told ould come down and they would end up loads cheaper than the old vinyl-never happened.

Even now the record execs and pop stars are only worried about their huge profits.
A true musician who was in it because they love music and have a REAL talent could make an average income (ie a normal job type income like the reat of us) just from performance-5000 people pay a tenner each to watch you sing at a few basic concerts, gross 50k so say and average salary net. You could also top this up with a few personal appearances. The record companies and management (leeches all) could go jump for it.

Most of what is in the "charts" is mass manufacturer dross which the world would be better off without.

BTW my 11 yr old saw an article about the new law and imediately said, well that won't work you can hide where you are and use proxys or hack into open wifi systems.
Now if kids of 11 and 12 know how the internet works, how on earth could this law work.
You will end up with some old silver surfers getting done for downloads done via their connection without their knowledge.

As my Oh points out it is also well known that most NHS sites use unsecured wireless systems so will the Government be slowing their access down lol.
The MP's voted this in as a sop to the record/movie companies without the knowledge to understand how it could be applied or would work. Can't wait for the first hacker to crash an MP's line and download a serious amount, see how they like a warning letter for something they didn't do.
Didn't one of the ISP's say they will not stop access unless a court order is produced as they said it would be unfair unless someone had had the legal opportunity to defend themselves?

ali x

Soubrette

sweetstudent wrote: »

I agree somewhat, but only if persistant offenders are cut off via a court order. Downloading copywrite content is illegal and it is stealing! Yes i agree that music should be cheaper online, but people should not resort to illegal downloading. It puts peoples jobs at risk - not the singers/performers but other people who work behind the scenes.

I'm afraid I have made the conscious decision not to buy any more dvds etc.

I listen to a streaming online radio (legal), I download the many freesongs from the big names put on places like here (my saved music is now bigger than my old dvd collection) and I use websites where new people put their music on for free. If I like a musician alot then I will see their concert (doesn't happen too much though).

I'm fed up of being ripped off by the big media corporations who's response to their immoral stance is to lobby government to pass ill thought out legislation like this. So I am prepared to do my (legal) bit to reduce the amount of my money that ends up in their pockets.

These corporations don't just rip off the consumer, they rip off the musicians too and I've had enough of it.

Sou