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thriftyscotslass

Bitsy_Beans wrote: »

You should see Rastamouse Thrifty.......I swear DD is going to start walking round going "irie man 'tiz cool" :rotfl::rotfl:

I agree with you about the methods of collecting data. Why write if you can do it all online. Would save a heck of a lot of trees :T
I have to confess though I hate text speak being used in a non-text "environment" but then again in order to see why my DS hates change you only have to see where the chip off the old block came from Change? Can't possibly embrace that :rotfl:

Aww mine are too old for childrens tv - ds grew up with Tots Tv and we had the joys of Teletubbies with dd.

Change - pah!!! we don't do change - and as for this non-literal language nonsense, why can't people say exactly what they mean. Had to explain to ds the finer points of "He couldn't organise a p*ss-up in a brewery" the other day.

Eta: ladies, I have to love and leave you - Gorgeous George is on the telly :-)

ani_26

Bitsy_Beans wrote: »

Well that's the domain of persons more IT savvy than me <shrug> but with respect to the quality of the data.....surely anyone filling in a paper survery could pretend to be someone they're not as well. However you cannot deny that the rise in all things "online" is having a big impact on how we do things daily. And if in order to get around apathy and actually be able to collect meaningful data why not try it?

Yes, i suppose this is true as well. Even if you are looking someone in the face, they could still give you false information.


Its a shame when computers replace, real people.

Bitsy_Beans

ani_26 wrote: »

Yes, i suppose this is true as well. Even if you are looking someone in the face, they could still give you false information.


Its a shame when computers replace, real people.

But are they? OK it is better to have face to face contact but a piece of paper (especially if not hand written like a personal letter) is just as impersonal as a computer screen. Just because I can't hear or see you I assume you are a real person behind the words you write on here

Thrifty - ahhh kids TV, we love (some of) it and other stuff we loathe! As for literal thinking.......DS isn't that way inclined. Yet. I am sure we'll get there at some point

Memory_Girl

ani_26 wrote: »

Its a shame when computers replace, real people.

This is an interesting one - on the whole "change" process that we are rattling through (or being dragged through by the scruff of our necks depending on your view)

FW challenged me to make contact with a very highly esteemed Indian Academic a few months ago. The thought scared me hugely at
the time but I am glad that I did. I now have "computer contact" with a most amazing person who stretches my thinking and challenges my long-held and precious assumptions about education (remember I was home schooling DS1 for a while).

One of the statements he left me to ponder was " A Teacher that can be replaced by technology should be!!"

:eek::eek: This was contrary to everything I held dear about education - No!!! No!!!! No!!!! children need teachers.

But as I calmed down and did the FW thingie of looking beyond my "knee-jerk" reaction I realised that I could not only see his point of view - that I actually agreed with his original statement.

Children need and deserve a GREAT leaning experience to give them all the skills needed to move into the future (whatever that will look like). That means choosing the best source from them to be taught by in any particular area - if the choice is between an excellent on-line resource and a poor teacher, on-line wins and vice-versa.

He is passionate to the point of combustion that poor teachers are worse than no teachers as children will naturally gravitate towards learning as their natural state.

Fun, scary, challenging, mad and infuriating to hang around - but we like one another anyway.

If you have some time - here's a portion of him holding forth.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/sugata_mitra_the_child_driven_education.html


He'd love this discussion - he would really love the fact that we can agree / disagree and keep communicating .............. he is fascinated by our "British Manners" and this is a wonderful example of how our past education informs our current experiences (here online). We were mostly raised to be respectful and that carries through.

I'm sure there is a PHD in there somewhere :rotfl:

Karmacat

MG, what an amazing link! And what an amazing bloke!

ani_26

I must admit, today i wasn't going to post on this thread again. Why? Because you are all brainwashed in one way or another. Remember, this is the way I see it. I feel because of my ' different ' way of thinking, or maybe speaking, i will fall into the trap of being banned from the site, as i express my own opinions. So be it. But remember i'm an arian and i share my birthday with two historical nutters, so although i'm open to contemplate what you are saying, i won't change my view. Which is maybe why i've read firewalkers diary in the first place. All my views are my own, and i base my views on a vast variety of personal experience, things i see in the ' real world ', people i meet in the ' real world', ( who are 1000's), from all walks of life.

I've? had a quick scan through the link, which frankly, is enough for me. Its all very well for people to write endlessly on various topics, its the doing, which is important. As for children teaching themselves? Ok, lets let a 5 year old teach themself. Surely you can see how ridiculous this is? I'm a great one for interaction with others. This is what makes the world go round. Human contact, even though i don't practise what i preach on that one, at the moment. Not staring at a computer screen, learning endless theologies or whatever. The importance of play and physical activity at school, sports, competetiveness, these things can't be learned by using a computer.

As for old school education.How many times have you been a shop, bought a few items, the till has broken down, or whatever, the shop assistant struggles for 15 mins to add up the cost of your purchases, which you had told them 15 mins previously. How did you know that, they ask? Because i did it in my head. They look at you blankly, how do you do that.Because when i went to school, a large proportion of mathematics was administered precisely in this manner. With the aid of a slide rule, and logarithms :mad:



Maybe this affects the way i still view everything now,as i come from the ark and have a very traditional way of thinking. Of course, i'm not completely blinkered, and open to suggestions, but i realise there are more and more people like me, who are starting to say, enough. They are just too frightened to say it.


As for computers replacing real people. There are many ways you could interpret this statement. My main interpretaion of what i stated was, yes, i'm learning the hard way, what its like to be on the receiving end of computers and technology replacing real people, at work.

Maybe i take things a little too seriously at times, and need to ' lighten up ' , but i like nothing better than a good debate, if only to open a can of worms. Does this mean i have an argumentative nature? I just like debates.

If firewalker does not want me to contribute on this thread anymore, then i am happy to leave. As i have stated many times, i am eccentric, and i take some getting used to, and there are many who will never be bothered.

thriftyscotslass

ani_26 wrote: »

Its a shame when computers replace, real people.

Ahhh but... if you were my ds (sorry to keep harping on about him), you would be saying give me a computer to a real person any day. With a computer you don't have to deal with body language, tone of voice and unspoken innuendo never mind all the distracting onslaught on your senses of background noise, sights, smells etc.

Computers allow ds to interact with other people on a level he is comfortable with. They have given him access to hundreds of real people that he would have run a mile from in real life. Computers are a godsend, a lifeline to many, many, many people on the autistic spectrum.

Eta: Ani, just read your post but don't have time to respond in depth, Just to say, don't go, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I relish a good debate.

ani_26

thriftyscotslass wrote: »

Ahhh but... if you were my ds (sorry to keep harping on about him), you would be saying give me a computer to a real person any day. With a computer you don't have to deal with body language, tone of voice and unspoken innuendo never mind all the distracting onslaught on your senses of background noise, sights, smells etc.

Computers allow ds to interact with other people on a level he is comfortable with. They have given him access to hundreds of real people that he would have run a mile from in real life. Computers are a godsend, a lifeline to many, many, many people on the autistic spectrum.

This to me, is so sad. I would interact with your son anyday. I suppose there are logistical reasons as to why he does'nt have personal interactions, and i know diasabled people myself who have made many friendships online.

Now you are all going to come down on me like a ton of bricks for being a hypocrite, as i, too had no one to speak to when i started my diary, and i still don't, to some extent. But as time passes i'm becoming aware things have to change if life is to continue.


Think too, of the many forgotten members of soceity, for instance the elderly, who are ' prisoners ' in their own home, who die in their home, because no one knows they exist, who don't have access to modern technology.

Karmacat

Ani, I can't see you being banned for anything you've written, but what I do see is you putting yourself on the outside of the community, or network, or whatever we call this.

Memory_Girl

thriftyscotslass wrote: »

Ahhh but... if you were my ds (sorry to keep harping on about him), you would be saying give me a computer to a real person any day. With a computer you don't have to deal with body language, tone of voice and unspoken innuendo never mind all the distracting onslaught on your senses of background noise, sights, smells etc.

Computers allow ds to interact with other people on a level he is comfortable with. They have given him access to hundreds of real people that he would have run a mile from in real life. Computers are a godsend, a lifeline to many, many, many people on the autistic spectrum.

Isn't that a truth - its amazing how having access to a tool like a computer can help them enter the arena of learning on a more level playing field - I bet Turing never dreamed how far reaching his imagination would lead us as a planet. Having read his biography BTW I have a sneaking suspicion that Mr T had more than one or two Aspergic tendencies too.

Ani - I am sure FW would not want you to stop posting. She is all for open and thought provoking discourse - of course we do not all have the same beliefs - that's what makes us interesting as as species.

MG