mini moto £119 @ bargain crazy

TimC

donstermonster wrote:

Section 59 applies to MOTOR VEHICLES ONLY and it then goes on to define a motor vehicle

"motor vehicle" means any mechanically propelled vehicle, whether or not it is intended or adapted for use on roads; and - note the word mechanically - an electric bike is NOT mechanically propelled

That is why , in the story you heard nothing actually happened because it cannot actually happen as there is no legislation as it is NOT A MOTOR VEHICLE

please calm down

I suspect your interpretation of the act is in error - a milk float comes under the legislation. The electrical energy from the batteries, drives a motor which is mechanically connected to the driving wheels - IT IS A MOTOR VEHICLE.

This quite easily extends to battery operated toys ... I don't necessarily agree, but it is another case of the minority spoiling things for the majority. Personally unless disabled, why children can't propel themselves and get some exercise I don't see the attraction!

This refers and includes electric scooters - http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/operations/word-docs/Goped.doc & here http://www.essex.police.uk/about/a_dp_41.php

Whereas electric scooters for the disabled are classed as invalid carriages and so long as the driver is over 14 are legal to use, subject to not exceeding 4mph on the pavement. (Yeah right!).

TimC

smaJ wrote:

hey,

ive been reading with interest your views about mini-motos, and find them rather amusing.

i feel that "daily mail" fever has gripped this thread, as you all seem to be in support of these ridiculous powers that have been given to the police. i agree that kids riding round mugging old ladies and vandalizing property is wrong, but mabey it is the fault of the parents or the society they live in. you cant say that kids have only started to commit crimes since they got mini-motos - they've been doing it for years. does anyone feel that the government pinning all the problems on mini-motos is merely a cover up for their failure to properly educate these children in their schools??

i dont have a mini-moto and i do not have a problem with ppl riding them in the field next to my house (as long as its not at like midnight).

sorry for hijacking the thread as i know its about money saving, but thats my 2p!!

samJ

I don't disagree with you - sadly the minority behaviour sets the laws for the majority.

I have an intense dislike for the Daily Mail and it seems BBC online is going the same way. That said, there are extremes of behaviour, which are dangerous on these vehicles, and without proper training giving a young child something capable of more than 30mph is inappropriate. These slow speed toys, sadly are not separately legislated for, so that seems to make them illegal, should the police decide to take action - they are the facts.

Doesn't mean our neighbours children crawling past the local bobby's house, or the teenager on the electric go-ped will be prosecuted (neither are a nuisance or ride recklessly), but they run a risk, and people should make themselves aware of this situation before parting with their hard-earned.

Anyway, this site/thread is about money saving - the biggest saving would be a normal non mechanised scooter powered by a 1 child powered engine - no recharging, just feed and water regularly.

natanddan1

myrnahaz wrote:

Take the advice given by itsfromark (post#3) and think twice about buying these unless they'll be used strictly on your own property. This has nothing to do with there being 'no newsworthy stories for the papers'. South Wales police have just allocated £200,000 towards policing areas around Swansea that are being plagued by these mini menaces. Anyone they find riding one of these motorised vehicles (battery operated ones included) on public land (including roads, pavements, parks, waste land etc) will have the vehicle seized and destroyed and penalty points added to their driving licences - even if they are currently too young to own a licence (eg 5 year olds) - they just wait until the person applies for a licence when they are over 17 years old, and slap the points on immediately. The BBC news had a film of the police with piles of confiscated mini motos being crushed by a scrap yard crusher.

what a load of old cobblers!!!!!! As if the police are going to wait 12 years to slap 3 points on my sons licence, that is if he gets it at 17. Blimey some people are so gullable

TimC

natanddan1 wrote:

what a load of old cobblers!!!!!! As if the police are going to wait 12 years to slap 3 points on my sons licence, that is if he gets it at 17. Blimey some people are so gullable

Why is it cobblers?

Unlicensed offenders, frequently get driving bans. It is not the police who will wait, if convicted of a driving offence, DVLA will record the ban, and a usable licence cannot be issued until the ban has been served. In effect his first licence will come with a disqualification.

For example - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/5076808.stm

TimC

Sad (and more relevant) case in which a 13 year old got a 5 year ban.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/3580099.stm

Two years ago - why no hysteria then?

don.westcoast

smaJ wrote:

sorry for hijacking the thread as i know its about money saving, but thats my 2p!!

samJ

That's ok - we'll give you it for 50% discount. There you go you've saved 1p!:D

wishingonastar_3

personally i vote for the things to be banned completly. you wouldn't give a child the keys to the car and say here you are, off you go, so why any size of motorbike. its dangerous, whatever speed it does.

rdwarr

wishingonastar wrote:

personally i vote for the things to be banned completly. you wouldn't give a child the keys to the car and say here you are, off you go, so why any size of motorbike. its dangerous, whatever speed it does.

Yes, you can ban them on the grounds of safety but where do you stop? Far more children are killed in horse riding accidents (as a percentage of participants it's alarming) then of course we have traditional bicycles, skateboards etc.
It's all about proper control. Children often compete in motorbike races. They often fall off as well but, because of the correct protection, few are badly hurt.

gromituk

donstermonster wrote:

"motor vehicle" means any mechanically propelled vehicle, whether or not it is intended or adapted for use on roads; and - note the word mechanically - an electric bike is NOT mechanically propelled

Not sure where you got that idea from. Mechanically propelled means using a power unit of some sort, regardless of whether its power source is combustible fuel or a battery.

As the link to the A to B article illustrates, the law is muddy. There is also a power threshold of 200W or 250W continuous (depending on which legislation you believe) below which tax etc don't apply. These toys will be nowhere near this.

Re-iteration: these things are miles apart from the petrol mini-motos that are causing so much trouble. It is depressing that so many people can't tell the difference.

rogerramjet

hehe..this thread is funny

I say, if they are powered electrically then what's the problem....if they are powered by a combustion engine (which mini-moto are) then they must adhere to the law if used on public highways as anyone else...what annoys me is if I was to drive my car with no lights, number plates, car tax, insurance and no licence then I would probably be screwed to the wall by the police as an easy target for prosucation and hefty fines, whereas they do not seem too bothered about kids doing the same thing on the mini-moto's because they cannot get the income in fines from them!

my 1/2 pence worth