Another reason to vote Tory...

Old_Slaphead

marklv wrote: »

You are naive if you think that this will be a freeby of some sort. Any handouts need to paid for, so you will pay in another way, trust me.

I would rather have Thatcher any day of the week than the current Tory toffs leading that party. At least Thatcher came from a normal middle class family.

Or look at it another way - the more money this Govt has the more they waste. Conversly the less they have the less they squander.

Maybe cutting the cost of Govt would be a start. Why do we need so many MPs and Lords ?

If the Gov't starts cutting waste from 2010/11 rather than from 2011/12 that would at least pay for this year's NI cut

Old_Slaphead

quietheart wrote: »

mitchaa wrote: »

It's always a thatcher comparison. 30yrs ago is a long time, way before my time

For those of us that experienced it, we'll never forget it :eek:.

Wasn't as bad as the Wilson era

kennyboy66_2

mitchaa wrote: »

It's always a thatcher comparison. 30yrs ago is a long time, way before my time

Either tax rises or spending cuts, or a mixture of both. We expect that though, the conservatives have to come in to clear up a mess created by Gordon and Co.

That's the trouble with the young - you can't teach them anything.

It's irrelevant that the comparison Thatcher - , it may be that VAT is a better one to increase, it may be that we should concentrate on reducing employers NI with 2.5 million unemployed, it may be that Labour will increase the tax burden by more than the tories.

The point is that people who think that "efficiency savings" are going to cure the deficit are either very dense or deluded. The Tories plans lack any credibility at all.

mitchaa

Nice_Username wrote: »

Erm, the mess was created by global neoliberal economics, not Gordon Brown.

Global economics are to blame for our very generous welfare state?

A welfare state with choice as a way of life? A very generous welfare state where it is better off for many to be on benefits than it is for them to work? Remind me again why an uneducated workshy single mother of 2 children can expect to rake in the equivalent to a £30k salary in benefits?

Global economics has nothing to do with our crazy welfare bill. A bill that labour have created

kennyboy66_2

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

quietheart wrote: »

Wasn't as bad as the Wilson era

No, it was far, far worse.

Kohoutek

Nice_Username wrote: »

Erm, the mess was created by global neoliberal economics, not Gordon Brown.

I think he means the fiscal mess the country is in - anyone with an iota of intelligence can see the Gordon Brown as the Chancellor then Prime Minister is responsible for that. Spending all of the increased tax revenues and borrowing money on top during an economic boom on expanding the public sector produces disastrous results if that boom ever ends.

In any case, Brown was one of the strongest advocates of 'global neoliberal economics':

"The better, and in my opinion the correct, modern model of regulation – the risk based approach - is based on trust in the responsible company...no inspection without justification, no form filling without justification, and no information requirements without justification, not just a light touch but a limited touch."

mitchaa

In 2009/10, the Treasury is expecting to take in £140.5 billion in gross income tax receipts. Social security benefits are projected to be £164.7 billion.

Clearly a major contributer as to why we are in a mess? No?

StevieJ

sunshinetours wrote: »

I personally would increase capital gains tax so those that benefit from investment gains pay a higher rate although not on those selling their own businesses

Why? is that because you run a business

C_Mababejive

I hate to say it but people must seriously consider the Tory vote as a very good option.
http://www.labour.org.uk/home


Labour talks about building "fairness" in communities.

But what exactly does that mean?

Well heres a good place to start if we take the meaning of fairness to be distributive justice..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributive_justice

Life isnt fair.

Labour ,simply becuase they espouse socialist doctrines and ideals, simply wants to redistribute wealth from those who have it to those who dont.

There is no question of justifying it. You might have a degree of wealth simply becuase you worked hard and earn it. Labour dont care. They will redistribute it for you.

You might have nothing simply because you are a victim of circumstance or are lazy. Labour dont care. They will redirect money to you from others becuase they see it as fair.

I dont.

If i want to give to charity,i will.

But i want to keep as much of what is mine. I worked for it. I earned it. Its mine. Simples.

Again...Mr gordon Brown says he will "win" the next election.

Doesnt that just deomonstrate the way their minds work?

They want to "win". Thats all that matters. Never mind the country and its peoples as long as they secure power and ram their socialist ideals down our throats whilst living completely different and very affluent lives themselves.


True,who ever wins ,it will be Government by the rich powerful and landed gentry.

Things havent changed much have they from,for example,the kind of situation portrayed in that excellent film.."The remains of the day"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remains_of_the_day

In which upper class buffoons Governed and steered the country with no real experience of what they were doing save for being born into the right family name.

Someone please tell me what experience Brown,Darling and Cameron have of running countries with respect to finance,military issues and social issues?

Mr Darling?
Well he majors in Law,not finance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Darling

Mr Brown?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_brown
No relevant qualifications

Mr Blair?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_blair
Another Barrister...

Mr Cameron?
Well give him his dues..he has studied Economics and politics to a great degree


So then,what are we left with? A bunch of barristers who,as they demonstrate,can apply their mooting skills as equally to the media,the public and the house of commons as they can in any high court thus being able to skilfully say as little or as much as they choose but often with no real meaning

Or

Mr Cameron..schooled at Eton and Oxford and a good grounding in Economics and politics?

Dont hold Eton and Oxford against the chap. He was simply born into it and it doesnt make him any less worthy a man.

What Tories do know about though is risk/hard work> reward

Remember Mr Peter Lily under Mme Thatcher and what a tight rein he held over the social security budget and see now how it grows out of control year on year on year...

The country in debt
Our borders down
The pound devalued....is anyone planning a holiday this year?? Pity you when you swap your once proud pounds for Euros.


The choice is yours...

no_fat_chicks

C_Mababejive wrote: »

I hate to say it but people must seriously consider the Tory vote as a very good option.
http://www.labour.org.uk/home


Labour talks about building "fairness" in communities.

But what exactly does that mean?

Well heres a good place to start if we take the meaning of fairness to be distributive justice..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributive_justice

Life isnt fair.

Labour ,simply becuase they espouse socialist doctrines and ideals, simply wants to redistribute wealth from those who have it to those who dont.

There is no question of justifying it. You might have a degree of wealth simply becuase you worked hard and earn it. Labour dont care. They will redistribute it for you.

You might have nothing simply because you are a victim of circumstance or are lazy. Labour dont care. They will redirect money to you from others becuase they see it as fair.

I dont.

If i want to give to charity,i will.

But i want to keep as much of what is mine. I worked for it. I earned it. Its mine. Simples.

Again...Mr gordon Brown says he will "win" the next election.

Doesnt that just deomonstrate the way their minds work?

They want to "win". Thats all that matters. Never mind the country and its peoples as long as they secure power and ram their socialist ideals down our throats whilst living completely different and very affluent lives themselves.


True,who ever wins ,it will be Government by the rich powerful and landed gentry.

Things havent changed much have they from,for example,the kind of situation portrayed in that excellent film.."The remains of the day"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remains_of_the_day

In which upper class buffoons Governed and steered the country with no real experience of what they were doing save for being born into the right family name.

Someone please tell me what experience Brown,Darling and Cameron have of running countries with respect to finance,military issues and social issues?

Mr Darling?
Well he majors in Law,not finance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Darling

Mr Brown?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_brown
No relevant qualifications

Mr Blair?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_blair
Another Barrister...

Mr Cameron?
Well give him his dues..he has studied Economics and politics to a great degree


So then,what are we left with? A bunch of barristers who,as they demonstrate,can apply their mooting skills as equally to the media,the public and the house of commons as they can in any high court thus being able to skilfully say as little or as much as they choose but often with no real meaning

Or

Mr Cameron..schooled at Eton and Oxford and a good grounding in Economics and politics?

Dont hold Eton and Oxford against the chap. He was simply born into it and it doesnt make him any less worthy a man.

What Tories do know about though is risk/hard work> reward

Remember Mr Peter Lily under Mme Thatcher and what a tight rein he held over the social security budget and see now how it grows out of control year on year on year...

The country in debt
Our borders down
The pound devalued....is anyone planning a holiday this year?? Pity you when you swap your once proud pounds for Euros.


The choice is yours...

But which is joe bloggs more likely to read, the above, or this:

TOFFS TOFFS TOFFS

:think: