Bad debt of previous home owner

BitterAndTwisted

lvader wrote: »

It is always to the detriment of the addressee if you read his private mail and he doesn't want you to.

No, it is not. The definition of the word "detriment" means to cause damage, harm or loss in some way. And the loss does not relate to the missing mail, it's the use it is put to. This is one of the many reasons why members of the legal profession charge so much money to people who can't or won't understand plain English.

lvader

If you open the mail and don't send it on it is clearly to the persons detriment because he didn't get his mail. If you open it and repost it, it is also to his detriment because he knows someone has been reading his mail and could argue it has affected him mentally.

BitterAndTwisted

You still don't get it, do you? Even though I believe it has been explained to you several times now. The opened mail has to be USED to cause a detriment in order to become illegal, just opening it IS NOT ILLEGAL.

I honestly think that either you're just not smart enough to debate with or you are being deliberately obtuse.

Goodbye!

custardy

lvader wrote: »

If you open the mail and don't send it on it is clearly to the persons detriment because he didn't get his mail. If you open it and repost it, it is also to his detriment because he knows someone has been reading his mail and could argue it has affected him mentally.

what if you dont open it and leave it on the hall carpet?

olly300

Hopejack wrote: »

Olly - I can't understand why anyone would not change their address if they were moving - it's to their advantage! Unless of course, as I've discovered, they don't actually want to be found because they don't want to pay up on their debts and are happy to leave someone else picking up the harrassment/stress for it all. If someone doesn't change their address with those that count i.e. banks/utilities etc, simply because they 'can't be bothered' then there is seriously something wrong with them.

When I spoke to the woman at the bank she didn't understand it either.

The person wasn't in debt. There were no dodgy letters coming in their name. In fact when I had a brief look at one of the statements the account had a few hundred pounds in it and was being used.

The only thing I thought was the person had gone aboard (I didn't take a close look at the transactions) - but even then you can have an address aboard with that bank because I did it.

olly300

lvader wrote: »

If you open the mail and don't send it on it is clearly to the persons detriment because he didn't get his mail. If you open it and repost it, it is also to his detriment because he knows someone has been reading his mail and could argue it has affected him mentally.

As the person is not living at the address to receive the mail they would never know they got the letter. Especially as they have not given a forwarding address or ever returned to the property to pick up any mail.

lvader

olly300 wrote: »

As the person is not living at the address to receive the mail they would never know they got the letter. Especially as they have not given a forwarding address or ever returned to the property to pick up any mail.

Just because nobody witnesses a crime doesn't mean it didn't happen. I challenge anyone here to call the police, royal mail, postcomm, a lawyer and get a response that it is OK to open someone elses mail. Someone has already asked the CAB and got a proper answer.

custardy

lvader wrote: »

Just because nobody witnesses a crime doesn't mean it didn't happen. I challenge anyone here to call the police, royal mail, postcomm, a lawyer and get a response that it is OK to open someone elses mail. Someone has already asked the CAB and got a proper answer.

knock yourself out

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/royal_mail_group


remember to ask the legality of opening delivered mail which has been delivered to the correct address
also make sure you dont want an answer regarding what you should do about returning such items

of course all you will get is a standard rehash of terms from the RM site

DVardysShadow

lvader wrote: »

Just because nobody witnesses a crime doesn't mean it didn't happen. I challenge anyone here to call the police, royal mail, postcomm, a lawyer and get a response that it is OK to open someone elses mail. Someone has already asked the CAB and got a proper answer.

But it isn't a crime. Witnesses don't matter.

Jowo_2

lvader wrote: »

If you open the mail and don't send it on it is clearly to the persons detriment because he didn't get his mail. If you open it and repost it, it is also to his detriment because he knows someone has been reading his mail and could argue it has affected him mentally.

There is no obligation for a householder to forward mail on for past occupiers.

If its detrimental for someone to not receive mail that goes to their previous address, they have the choice of informing all their contacts of their new address or arranging it to be forwarded by the Royal Mail.