help identify these lock types

pksaraf

Hi there,

I am trying to sort out my home insurance for which I want to understand what locks I have. As I rent, I dont have any information on the locks installed, hence was wondering if someone can look at the photos below and advise what kind of locks these are?

Lock 1: installed on the door opening in garage (It has "Union" written on it):
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt308/pksaraf/CIMG0967.jpg
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt308/pksaraf/CIMG0966.jpg

Lock 2: on the patio door (It has "Yale" written on it):
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt308/pksaraf/CIMG0965.jpg
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt308/pksaraf/CIMG0964.jpg

Basically, I want to know what would be the name in the insurers language for these locks.

many thanks!
pksaraf

Patr100

First one is a mortice. For insurance it should be "five lever" - may say on it if you look closely.

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pksaraf

patr100, all it says is manufactured by Josiah parkes. It does not say 5 levers anywhere

GDB2222

Both of those are essentially Yale-type locks. They both have a barrel with pins in that the key displaces. Neither is anywhere near as secure as a 5 lever mortice lock.

It should be quite easy to replace the one on the door to the garage, but I have no idea what you should do about the patio door, if anything. If the only keyhole for the patio door is on the inside, it may not need to be a five lever lock, as I think that insurers have different standards for patio doors.

eamon

Lock 1 is a "Oval" profile mortice type lock (similar to "Euro")

Lock 2 looks like a multipoint lock.

pksaraf

patio door: i forgot mention that the hook/lever that you see in the 2nd picture - two of these are built into the door. One where the lock is (middle of the door), and one at the bottom, both operated by the same single lock.

Also, the lock has keyhole on both sides.

Will this meet the requirements of "multi-point locking system which incorporates a lever or cylinder deadlock, capable of being secured by a key from both sides"?

GDB2222 wrote: »

Both of those are essentially Yale-type locks. They both have a barrel with pins in that the key displaces. Neither is anywhere near as secure as a 5 lever mortice lock.

It should be quite easy to replace the one on the door to the garage, but I have no idea what you should do about the patio door, if anything. If the only keyhole for the patio door is on the inside, it may not need to be a five lever lock, as I think that insurers have different standards for patio doors.

Patr100

GDB2222 wrote: »

Both of those are essentially Yale-type locks. They both have a barrel with pins in that the key displaces. Neither is anywhere near as secure as a 5 lever mortice lock.

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"Yale" is a brand of lock manufacturers not a type of lock . The first one as I said, is a mortice lock ie it is built into the door itself. It could still be a five lever lock. If it doesn't explicitly state it then there may be a British Standards kite number to indicate the specific standard.

pksaraf

Patr100 wrote: »

"Yale" is a brand of lock manufacturers not a type of lock . The first one as I said, is a mortice lock ie it is built into the door itself. It could still be a five lever lock. If it doesn't explicitly state it then there may be a British Standards kite number to indicate the specific standard.

nope, there isnt. It probably was installed 20 years ago when this flat was built! All it says is Union and manufactured by Josiah Parkes. Not even a kite symbol.

chodges84

I've never seen a mortice lock with a cylinder key operation like on your garage door.

The Patio Door lock does meet the reuirements you suggest, as the 'multi locking' are the three hook/levers that keep it closed. It is basically a cylinder lock and can be opened and closed from both sides using a key.

They are very common locks, and as such would certainly meet insurance requirements.

Patr100

pksaraf wrote: »

nope, there isnt. It probably was installed 20 years ago when this flat was built! All it says is Union and manufactured by Josiah Parkes. Not even a kite symbol.

Given it's likely age, it is probably not a five lever - these are required for house entrance/exit doors - as said, your patio door should be OK - the question is what does your insurance policy state is the minimum requirement for the garage?

pksaraf

chodges84 wrote: »

I've never seen a mortice lock with a cylinder key operation like on your garage door.

The Patio Door lock does meet the reuirements you suggest, as the 'multi locking' are the three hook/levers that keep it closed. It is basically a cylinder lock and can be opened and closed from both sides using a key.

They are very common locks, and as such would certainly meet insurance requirements.

thanks to everyone for brilliant responses!

so can i just check if everyone is in agreement:

1. Lock 1 garage door: insurance requirements state: "fitted with a lock that meets BS 3621 OR a key operated locks with bolts at top and bottom" It seems that my lock does not meet this reqiurement - agreed?

2. Lock 2 patio door: insurance reqs state: "multi-point locking system which incorporates a lever or cylinder deadlock, capable of being secured by a key from both sides" - it seems my lock does meet this requirement - agreed?