Please help!

myothercarisaferrari

what did you nick?

dickydonkin

Sleasy Londerners can spell Sleazy Londoner's properly you thick Northernerer!

And lay off the Exclamation marks. (if you even know what that means!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Oh dear...here we go!

Morgan_Ree

lolipop177 wrote: »

I may lose the job, which is not the end of the world, because I am a student and have other experiences besides retail. I am really happy to learn that it won't show on CRB! Also, I am still waiting from civil recovery and I am ready to pay the penalty no matter how big it is!

Thank you all once again!

Were you given a caution for shoplifting?

If so this WILL show up on a standard CRB check (and obviously on an enhanced CRB too)

dickydonkin

Morgan_Ree wrote: »

Were you given a caution for shoplifting?

If so this WILL show up on a standard CRB check (and obviously on an enhanced CRB too)

Very good point, however the OP did state that the police were not involved. I have no reason to doubt that, but I wonder what the law is on either the retailer or shop security personnel demanding the name and address/personal details of a person caught thieving from a retail outlet.

Referring back to my previous posting relating to civil recovery, below is an actual example of the charges Boots will/could impose on the OP.

Value of propery stolen if damaged, not recovered or fit for resale - £13

Staff and management time spent in investigating wrongful actions - £71

Administration costs resulting from wrongful actions - £23

Contribution to surveillance and security costs - £23

The above were the 'civil' charges, however, this was on top of a conviction in a court of law and a £80 fine.

Pretty expensive mascara!

miss_clarabelle

You've made a mistake and you will most likely lose your job for it. Were the police involved? If they weren't then it won't show on your CRB. If I were in this situation I'd probably quit my job before I was sacked because going into a shopping centre where you are banned will only make it difficult. Alternatively maybe you could try to speak to the security about it? Was it a big item you were caught with? What were your reasons? You have nothing to lose by trying this. They probs won't budge on the ban, but what do you have to lose? You have made a big mistake and you are suffering the consequences. BUT I'm sure you'll have learnt from your mistake. Don't beat yourself up over it, just remember this if you get tempted in future. All the best x

I_know_my_ABC_and_my_CMYK

dpassmore wrote: »

So do you really think that a civil recovery scheme only attempts to retrieve the losses of the actual cost of the item(s) stolen?

Think about the question you have asked. Do you think the loss of goods stolen from a shop is the only cost incurred by the retailer when a thief decides to help themselves?

By virtue of being caught shoplifting, obviously the goods stolen in most cases would have been recovered but there are additional 'fees' that may or may not be charged to the offender.


Civil Recovery is the use of Civil Law remedies to reclaim directly from an offender committing a theft, including the costs associated with the prevention and investigation of such acts. Civil Recovery used in addition to - independent of - any criminal action. There are 75 major retailers in the National Civil Recovery Programme including ASDA, Tesco, Sainsbury, HMV, Bhs, Debenhams, B&Q and Boots the Chemist. Any company can join the programme as long as they can meet its quality requirements. The most likely amount demanded from a customer thief is between £60 and £150.
Source: loss prevention eye.

Please think before you post.

Sorry going slightly off topic here.

Is it actually legal for the shops to operate this civil recovery scheme? If so, is it enforced though the courts? I mean what happens if someone turns round and refuses to pay this money?

Thanks

dickydonkin

I_know_my_ABC_and_my_CMYK wrote: »

Sorry going slightly off topic here.

Is it actually legal for the shops to operate this civil recovery scheme? If so, is it enforced though the courts? I mean what happens if someone turns round and refuses to pay this money?

Thanks

Yes and Yes albeit contentious, although if the thief refuses to pay the civil recovery fee, the retailer (usually via an agency acting on their behalf) can pursue the 'debt' through a civil (not criminal) court.

This could be in addition to any fines imposed by a criminal court for the original offence.

As for the refusal to pay:

What will happen if I don’t pay?

If you fail to pay the compensation sought, our client reserves the right to commence legal proceedings to recover all of their financial losses, together with costs and interest, which will greatly increase the overall cost to you. Interest is accruing on a daily basis at an annual rate of 8% while this claim remains outstanding. If a Court Judgment/Decree is obtained, this is likely to adversely affect your ability to obtain credit in the future.

Whether the thief has the ability/means to pay is another matter of course.

woody01

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Every single teenager on every single housing estate in the whole of the north of the country thinks it is acceptable to carry a knife??? :rotfl: Have you asked them all one by one or did you read that in the Daily Mail? Could you fit any more prejudices into one sentence - perhaps you could edit in a little ethnicity?

None of the 11,799 Bebo friends of the 'it doesn't have to happen' campaign live on a northern housing estate then?
http://www.bebo.com/itdoesnthavetohappen

And you think that the northern English and all Scottish youth parliament representatives secretly support illegal weapons??
http://www.ukyouthparliament.org.uk/
http://www.syp.org.uk/

I said RANDOM....not ALL.
I think you are the Mail reader the way you pick up on imaginary words and twist them in an effort to be constructive (and monumentally fail).

Juicyloo wrote: »

By the same token, i am CERTAIN, that a teenager on some random housing estate up North, would see nothing wrong with carrying a knife.

Don't you dare label the North- sleasy londerners and southerners are much worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Talk about discrimination.

Ahhhhhh....attacked by exclamation marks. It must be the new Northern weapon. :rotfl:

So you mention discrimination and call us 'sleasy londerners'. (It's sleazy and Londoner' btw). You should know that coming from the brightest spot in the universe.

It's fantastic how you have tried to chastise me in public, and made yourself look even more stupid. :T

Uncertain

dpassmore wrote: »

Very good point, however the OP did state that the police were not involved. I have no reason to doubt that, but I wonder what the law is on either the retailer or shop security personnel demanding the name and address/personal details of a person caught thieving from a retail outlet.

The shop and uniformed so called security guards have no more power than you or me. Again, like you or me, they can make a citizens arrest if they reasonably believe they have proper grounds. They have no powers to search the individual or demand any details. The can call the police and, if they had reasonable grounds to make an arrest, they can detain the person until the police arrive. If they do this they become fully responsible for the person's safety and well-being.

hairy_g

dpassmore wrote: »

Yes and Yes albeit contentious, although if the thief refuses to pay the civil recovery fee, the retailer (usually via an agency acting on their behalf) can pursue the 'debt' through a civil (not criminal) court.

This could be in addition to any fines imposed by a criminal court for the original offence.

As for the refusal to pay:

What will happen if I don’t pay?

If you fail to pay the compensation sought, our client reserves the right to commence legal proceedings to recover all of their financial losses, together with costs and interest, which will greatly increase the overall cost to you. Interest is accruing on a daily basis at an annual rate of 8% while this claim remains outstanding. If a Court Judgment/Decree is obtained, this is likely to adversely affect your ability to obtain credit in the future.

Whether the thief has the ability/means to pay is another matter of course.

hmmmmmm...
and which big retailer do you work for?/ are being paid by?
Fines CANNOT be issued by a private company, i.e Retail Loss Prevention Ltd .
If they want to recover their losses they must go to court ( and win ) before the debt collectors can become involved.
these are the same scaremongering tactics used by private parking companies.

as posted here : http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.html?f=163

Retail Loss Prevention Ltd are just bullies employed by retailers as an easy option of dealing with theives.