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LizzieS_2

Deepmistrust wrote: »

I have no need to scour second hand fortunately. I tend to find I'm the one giving (or selling) prams away.

How many children do you have? I re-used my pram as many others probably do.

As to the cost, it is as expensive or as cheap to buy the real essentials as the parent wants to make it. I did qualify for the £500 maternity grant but did not know then - maybe that is why my budget did not stretch to spending £500. To be fair, even if I had been handed £500 I would not have wasted it on short-term expensive items.

Deepmistrust

LizzieS wrote: »

How many children do you have? I re-used my pram as many others probably do.

As to the cost, it is as expensive or as cheap to buy the real essentials as the parent wants to make it. I did qualify for the £500 maternity grant but did not know then - maybe that is why my budget did not stretch to spending £500. To be fair, even if I had been handed £500 I would not have wasted it on short-term expensive items.

I'm not sure of the relevance of the first question?

The point is, the £49.99 pram may be suitable for some people for some reasons:

For example. Out of the reviews of the pram, those that rated it good were:

1. A childminder - i.e. occassional use
2. Grandparents - i.e. occasional use.

None of those that reviewed the pram, had used it from birth, so no review on the suspension could be seen - I sincerely doubt for 49.99 that it's suspension (if any) was really much use for a newborn. One other person that reviewed it for a three year old, claimed the straps didn't adjust far enough to fit 3 year olds either.

The point I re-itererate is that it may be (for some) a false economy to buy a pram that may not even last the needs of one child, never mind subsequent children. Hence, it may make more sense for them to purchase a sturdier pram, that is of better quality, and thus more likely not to need replaced in the near future.

Define *short-term* expensive item? I think a pram that lasts 5 minutes could be described as a *short term expensive item*, no?

Percy1983

Deepmistrust wrote: »

I have no idea why the self-righteous brigade are opposed to newborn babies of low-income families being granted some basics. Luckily, I'm not that spiteful, I don't feel that way. But then, I often work with the Sure Start childrens centres, so I see when people struggle on low incomes that this kind of help is always appreciated.

How about if you can't afford children you shouldn't be having them?

Deepmistrust

Percy1983 wrote: »

How about if you can't afford children you shouldn't be having them?

You should preach that to the third world too.

In fact, why not have a permit system, whereby you have to prove your income before you are allowed to breed? Perhaps we can apply it to the animal kingdom too, so animals should be forced to earn a living before they are allowed to procreate? Maybe we can enforce a system of sterilisation for poor people?

Any of this sound like the road you want to go down?

Oh wait, if we did that who would do all the low paid jobs to keep the rich and their children in their relatively wealthy lifestyle?

*rolls eyes* :T

Human habits to procreate are not dependant upon how much savings you may or may not have. (Can't believe I actually had to explain that).

LizzieS_2

Deepmistrust wrote: »

I'm not sure of the relevance of the first question?

The point is, the £49.99 pram may be suitable for some people for some reasons:

The point I re-itererate is that it may be (for some) a false economy to buy a pram that may not even last the needs of one child, never mind subsequent children. Hence, it may make more sense for them to purchase a sturdier pram, that is of better quality, and thus more likely not to need replaced in the near future.

Define *short-term* expensive item? I think a pram that lasts 5 minutes could be described as a *short term expensive item*, no?

First question was from your statement where you said you are the most likely to be giving away or selling prams. I did not see the point in buying a pram for each child, unless there is a large age gap and you did not plan another.

For the Argos buggy, it is deemed suitable from birth. I did buy one similiar to this for my first many years ago and it was fine - suspension would not have stood up to rocky surfaces but I did not need one that did.

I know no end of people who have bought expensive prams, only to find they are an absolute nightmare to take on public transport. This is certainly one area that many do not think about until they use it.

For my youngest 2, I bought a secondhand pram at £60. It was pretty much brand new - easy to spot when you are looking for obvious wear and tear. It served both well and was given to a charity shop for re-sale. For convience I bought a buggy when 12 months (youngest used it much earlier). That was the Argos buggy (well as it was a few years ago). It was used every day for 4 years and served its purpose extremely well. It certainly stood the test of time despite its cheap price.

Short-term expensive item = buying something that will not be value for money based on its actual usage.

Deepmistrust

LizzieS wrote: »

First question was from your statement where you said you are the most likely to be giving away or selling prams. I did not see the point in buying a pram for each child, unless there is a large age gap and you did not plan another.
It's a free country, I give prams away that are no longer of use to me. don't see how it's relevance to anything I have been discussing (still don't tbh?). Besides, I've already explained I've bought some awful prams, not suitable for my needs, why would I keep them? As punishment? Heck, I didn't realise I had to confide in an internet morals committee before choosing how to spend my hard earned?

For the Argos buggy, it is deemed suitable from birth. I did buy one similiar to this for my first many years ago and it was fine - suspension would not have stood up to rocky surfaces but I did not need one that did. Some people do - I've already shown how one persons needs can differ from another. Because Argos deem it from birth, doesn't mean all people will be happy with their newborn being chucked around like a ragdoll - especially if their daily routine involved any kind of rocky ground - like cobbles, paths, or even grass.

I know no end of people who have bought expensive prams, only to find they are an absolute nightmare to take on public transport. This is certainly one area that many do not think about until they use it. I've already made that point too.

For my youngest 2, I bought a secondhand pram at £60. It was pretty much brand new - easy to spot when you are looking for obvious wear and tear. It served both well and was given to a charity shop for re-sale. For convience I bought a buggy when 12 months (youngest used it much earlier). That was the Argos buggy (well as it was a few years ago). It was used every day for 4 years and served its purpose extremely well. It certainly stood the test of time despite its cheap price. So you didn't use the argos bargain pram from birth either?

Short-term expensive item = buying something that will not be value for money based on its actual usage. Precisely, which equates to the Argo "bargain" pram, for many people. Thanks for agreeing with my point. [/QUOTE]

Second hand prams, are fine, as you said yours was like new, and you were obviously pleased with your purchase? But what i find contradictory, is you seem to have a problem with people that give away there prams when they are like new (in my case, they were not suitable for an assortment of reasons).

LizzieS_2

Deepmistrust I have no problem with what people do or give away, I just find that people do not think of the practicals when buying. Your comment over replacing your prams is a prime example of what I meant by short-term expensive items.

The pram I bought for my first (similiar to Argos one) was used from birth. That pram cost a lot more than £49.99, but it was about the cheapest around at that time. I bought the secondhand pram for my youngest 2 when I was buying another item - I had not planned to buy a different type of pram and at that time my purchase was cheaper than all suitable from birth prams in Argos.

Percy1983

Deepmistrust wrote: »

You should preach that to the third world too.

In fact, why not have a permit system, whereby you have to prove your income before you are allowed to breed? Perhaps we can apply it to the animal kingdom too, so animals should be forced to earn a living before they are allowed to procreate? Maybe we can enforce a system of sterilisation for poor people?

Any of this sound like the road you want to go down?

Oh wait, if we did that who would do all the low paid jobs to keep the rich and their children in their relatively wealthy lifestyle?

*rolls eyes* :T

Human habits to procreate are not dependant upon how much savings you may or may not have. (Can't believe I actually had to explain that).

Maybe human habits should be more like the animals of this planet, if an animal can't provide for there young they will die, its not down to the other animals to provide for them.

Personally I do think the world would be a better place if people wern't allowed to breed for a living, and the reasons behind many babies is just wrong and it shouldn't be happening.

We (other half and I) are not having children until we can provide for them (Financially and emotionally), right now we can't afford it so we don't have children. I don't expect anybody else to pay for my children and I don't expect to be paid for having children.

Deepmistrust

LizzieS wrote: »

Deepmistrust I have no problem with what people do or give away, I just find that people do not think of the practicals when buying. Your comment over replacing your prams is a prime example of what I meant by short-term expensive items.
Yes, wow, I bought a couple of crap prams. Hence, my entire post is that what suits some, may not suit others (for various reasons). So it is no good (as some posters were doing) to demand that low income familes purchase the £49.99 Argos pram and be happy, and done with it. Hence the cheap crap pram, (yes my bargain pram was cheap and it was crap) was indeed a short-term expensive item.

The pram I bought for my first (similiar to Argos one) was used from birth. That pram cost a lot more than £49.99, but it was about the cheapest around at that time. I bought the secondhand pram for my youngest 2 when I was buying another item - I had not planned to buy a different type of pram and at that time my purchase was cheaper than all suitable from birth prams in Argos.

I'm not actually sure what you are arguing for/against tbh.

Deepmistrust

Percy1983 wrote: »

Maybe human habits should be more like the animals of this planet, if an animal can't provide for there young they will die, its not down to the other animals to provide for them.
Wow, just wow. I think there is a reason Social Darwinism is usually confined to the likes of Hitler.

Personally I do think the world would be a better place if people wern't allowed to breed for a living, and the reasons behind many babies is just wrong and it shouldn't be happening. Good job your thinking when it comes to the rights of others, is, and always will be irrelevant then.

We (other half and I) are not having children until we can provide for them (Financially and emotionally), right now we can't afford it so we don't have children. I don't expect anybody else to pay for my children and I don't expect to be paid for having children. Aside from surrogacy, no one is usually paid to have children. I have no idea what you are wittering about.

I also guess you think that disabled children shouldn't be helped either? Perhaps we should emulate the Nazis here too?
Perhaps you should take your beliefs to their logical conclusion Mein Fuhrer?