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QT last night - Will Self - what a fool
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Yet losing freedom is not incentive enough to stop crimes...
Not for a lot of people, no. Lets face it, recently a family was arrested for stealing £700,000 worth of caravans. They probably stole much more than that (caravan thefts went down 50% the week after they were arrested). They will get... what... maybe at the outside 15 years? out in 7? thanks to thatcher.
Opportunity cost... it would take 40 years of being employed for someone to earn that.I had a friend go to prison last year for drug dealing and he served around 6 months. He had never been to prison before, but found it quite shocking how lapse it was and how little he was asked to do. He basically said that he watched TV and played video games in his cell pretty much all day every day. Just seems weird to me.
I'm sure its gone the other way, largely because there's not enough money in the system. Unlike whitehorse, I want prisoners to work. Work very hard indeed. Unless there is a medical reason, I want no one to be released until they are both able to fulfill a role in normal society, and have been trained to do so. Once they have been trained, I want them to work at a real job, repaying money to the state, and after they are released the full costs for the training and imprisonment should be worked out, and they should repay it: every last pence.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
He basically said that he watched TV and played video games in his cell pretty much all day every day. Just seems weird to me.
Thats onteresting. I love the same things about the forum/arguments as you raise btw.
anyway: I'm just wondering how many people on either side have been in to prisons and in what circumstances?
(oh for god's sake, I've repied again.....someone take away my keyboard ....)
oh, and I'm sure cleaver's called me names before...0 -
The_White_Horse wrote: »i didn't say I didn't do it. I just said that is why I like Cleaver better than Moggy.
fool.
Do I get an apology soon, seeing as you said I made it up to fit my belief system. Remember, I never have to make stuff up about lefties. They really ARE THAT STUPID!!!
No. I don't see why I should be expected to apologise to anyone as offensive as you.
Personally, I find it more difficult to stop myself responding to your offensive nasty nature in a similar manner.
This is the best I can come up with...
It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
Not for a lot of people, no. Lets face it, recently a family was arraested for stealing £700,000 worth of caravans. They probably stole much more than that (caravan thefts went down 50% the week after they were arrested). They will get... what... maybe at the outside 15 years? out in 7? thanks to thatcher.
Opportunity cost... it would take 40 years of being employed for someone to earn that.
But then surely prison is too soft (and then goes back to the mobiles, TV PS3 etc), you can earn money through crime (providing not all assets are seized) tow the line in prison and lead a fairly normal life (other than not getting out to see people.
Then leave only proving that crime does pay and time is not hard????
Perhaps that is why we see re-offending figures are so high?
Ps you cant just blame thatcher labour have had how many years now to change things?0 -
Yet losing freedom is not incentive enough to stop crimes...
OK, this is interesting. and something I use in another area.
reward based training is, hands down the most successful technique I use with all species of animal...but I am less ''wooly'' in that I do use punishment in some circumstances...very frowned upon by other positive reinforcers but it works for me.
the thing is this more fundamental than we are portraying here, it speaks to basic desires and drives...basic as conditioning...
will not further wire an essay on a thread I'm distancing myself from....
edit: if any one is nterested appropriate google terms might be operant conditioning and reinforcement0 -
lostinrates wrote: »but I am less ''wooly'' in that I do use punishment in some circumstances...very frowned upon by other positive reinforcers but it works for me.
Is that anything to do with your sig? 0 -
Perhaps that is why we see re-offending figures are so high?
Ps you cant just blame thatcher labour have had how many years now to change things?
Reoffending figures are also high in the US, where they have chain gangs and prisons are much tougher than here.
And I can blame thatcher, after all, she invented the system... and my understanding is that under Labour, average sentences have increased compared to the conservative government. Crime has even gone down, according to the official statistics /sarcasm.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
Reoffending figures are also high in the US, where they have chain gangs and prisons are much tougher than here.You get the kind of scenario that they often have in US prisons. If you give prisoners limited privileges they can lose, they have an incentive to do what you want.
So this is not a direct port over from the US, Our take on it is every day (luxury) items not other privileges.
(not trying to trick you, just that I do not know and your previous comment led me believe we did the same as the US)0 -
lemonjelly wrote: »No. I don't see why I should be expected to apologise to anyone as offensive as you.
Personally, I find it more difficult to stop myself responding to your offensive nasty nature in a similar manner.
This is the best I can come up with...
explain where my views have been the same as hitler's. I think you will find they are not.
as i have said many times this is the last resort of a lefty. you have to shout homophobe, racist etc. you just can't accept that your ideas are flawed and wrong.
I couldn't be any further from hitler and find the comparison offensive. I believe in freedom for all, except the criminals. I have no problem with any religions, sexuality or anything similar. I have no problem with drink or drugs - in fact I would legalise all drugs. addicts are not criminals. I merely have a problem with the disrespectful and benefit scrounging elements of society plus the non-jobs in the public sector who are constantly indulged by lefty idiots.0 -
The_White_Horse wrote: »
So, if a man is arrested for kidnapping and locking up their victim for many years - say like that Austrian bloke who kept his daughter under the house or that American case, Jaycee something or other, have we not lost the moral highground there by incarcerating the incarcerator??????? Same thing I think. You are just choosing to think of it differently.
I see no lefty has responded to this yet....0
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