Shilling - What do I do?

davilown

bobmats_shel wrote:

The item would have gone for £30.00 if the buyer hadn't shilled! The buyer shilled, raised the price and the buyer ended up paying £30 more for it than it would have sold for. Simple really. The buyer claims back the £30.00 and reports the seller for shilling!

Yes but would it of? Highly unlikely. Most expensive electrical items have shill bids against them but this is the seller trying to make sure they get the min for their item. Yes its wrong but it happens. No-one can change the fact and the onus, however wrong it may be, is on the buyer to determine what their max bid is.

All I can say is well done for confronting the seller and getting the refund :T

:beer: monster

Moglex

bobmats_shel wrote:

I don't know why this is hard to understand.

It's called: "taking responsibility for your own actions".

Sadly, in this day an age, that's not a very fashionable concept.

bobmats_shel

If you want an item to go for a certain price then start at a price near that. Don't start it low and "hope" it gets it goes for the price you want, or worse, shill bid it so that it goes up to the price you want. If your item sells for less, then it's bad luck, send the item and chalk it up to experience, then next time set the start price higher.

Decietfully raising the price, is wrong. It doesn't matter that everyone is doing it, if everyone jumped off a cliff I'd still stand there looking over thinking "what a bunch of idiots". You can't make something right just because everyone's doing it.

The buyer has said that they have checked the history of bidding, and it would have gone for £30.00 if it hadn't been shilled. Maybe a bit more, but unlikely it would have gone for twice the price. I've bid on things, then bid a bit more, then a bit more, going past what I originally intended to pay in the first place because I've really wanted an item. That's my choice. What isn't fair is if I win it, and realise I've been shilled up to that price. Then I'm being taken advantage of!

The seller is in the wrong, the buyer was completely within her rights. Well done for confronting her.

bobmats_shel

It's called: "taking responsibility for your own actions".

Sadly, in this day an age, that's not a very fashionable concept

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It's actually called fraud! It's called tricking the buyer into paying over the odds. I'd call it stealing.

I'm a responsible adult. I expect people to be the same. I expect people who shill to be thrown off ebay. I expect ebayers to abide by the rules.

in this day and age

apparently I expect too much. Maybe I should slap a badge on and start patrolling my neighbourhood too!

bleugh

please, please, please

YES, shill bidding isn't allowed


fact is........search for identical items in completed listings , if they sell for your £30 then whine all you want

you'll probably find that the item never sells for your £30, ever, regardless of bid inteference or not

you're well in the right to go and confront the seller for confirmed shill bidding, however, you're a total @rse if you go and report them after they have the good grace to give you the refund you demanded

again it doesn't boil down to right or wrong, it's the nice grey area i'd like people to occupy that requires people to be pleasant!, grease the works a bit here, thats how society works in real life

more people of late are becoming as nasty and stubborn as you're putting accross,

co-incidentally more people of late are becoming miserable and complaining the world is a crap place.

and may I add, put yourself in the sellers shoes, regardless of what moral high ground you stake claim to here, if the tables were turned then you'd not be happy

...................what goes around comes around!


p.s. what is the item number?, if you don't want to give that, what actually was the item?

bobmats_shel

Originally Posted by bleugh
...................what goes around comes around!

I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. I think the seller was caught out, and if that seller is struck off ebay then good riddance. One less shiller. They shilled, they got kicked off, therefore what went around did indeed come back and bite them in the @ss! They were happy to take the extra money off the buyer! Face the consequences.

Personally I don't agree with looking the other way. I think if we all do this, and let these things slide then eventually we're going to have an ebay, heck a world, where crime and injustice rain supreme MWHHHAHAHAHAHA!

But seriously. It's why there are rules, why there's a body that checks these things and relies on us to inform them when shillers are there.

I'm the person who will email you to tell you not to bid on that "Gucci" knock off from some guy with 10 feedback from China. I'll tell you if you won an item with evident shilling. I'll also report the seller. I abide by the rules. Why should there be a different set of rules for you?

I don't complain that the world is crap, I'm not miserable. I chortle whole heartedly as I report the shillers and toast their imminent departure. I do it all with a smile. I'd rather try to change the injustice than complain about it.

I'm not concerned that it'll come back to bite me, I don't shill and don't do anything to warrant being kicked off ebay. My Karma's just great. I've probably saved people from dissapointment and losing money. I don't have money to waste, I won't expect you to have either. I correct the shopkeepers if they've short changed themselves. I recycle my paper, glass and plastic. I help old ladies over the road. I don't like deceit and what I would say was theft, so if I see you doing it then I'll tattle on ya!

Bubba_Shaboo

bleugh wrote:

again it doesn't boil down to right or wrong, it's the nice grey area i'd like people to occupy that requires people to be pleasant!, grease the works a bit here, thats how society works in real life

I'm really intrigued as to what that actually means, can I bother you to expand?

Cheers,

Bubba©

Altarf

dmg24 wrote:

So I figure I have two options. 1) Report the seller for shill bidding. 2) Contact the seller directly and suggest that either I return the item for a full refund, or that she refunds me the difference in cost.

You missed number 3, report them to the police. Shill bidding is illegal (obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception, Section 16(1) of the Theft Act 1968).

bestyman

Help , Help.
I have been robbed by a fraudulant ebayer who should be locked up .
I paid £61 for an item that was only worth £30.
This low life thief started the auction at 99p but had put a reserve of £60 on the item, because of this I had to bid £61 to win the item. What a scam the item was only worth £30.
I think all things on ebay should be free or at most 99p. Getting a bargain is a basic human right.
Bestyman

bobmats_shel

Originally Posted by altarf
You missed number 3, report them to the police. Shill bidding is illegal (obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception, Section 16(1) of the Theft Act 1968).

And so it should be, it's theft, it's obtaining goods (money) by deception. A nice slap on the wrists is called for.