Tories pledge to ruduce public debt

abaxas

Sorry no.... I've changed my mind... I'll play the trump card...

aelitaman

JasonLVC wrote: »

Whilst I'd agree that the above argument is valid normally, we are but 3 months away from a General Election.

At some point, soon, Cameron is going to have to lay those cards on the table or else, in the absence of knowing what his hand is, people are going to vote for labour as Brown has already shown us his cards.

Cameron's drop in the polls is becuase he's used the fact Labour steal his ideas as a reason for being short on content, but he ain't going to win on personality alone and so will have to come up with the goods soon.

Considering how close we are to an election, there is very little commentary at all from the Tories or the LibDems in terms of "the future". We seem to be getting a lot of sniping about the deficit and Brown's failures (which are all valid snipes), but where's the meat and two veg as to why I should vote for Cameron/Clegg/UKIP, whatever?

They are waiting for Darlings budget. The phoney war will be over after that.

Darling (the only cabinet member I think has the interest of the UK over party in his mind) has a tough challenge. If he raises taxs to much then the Tories will respond with cuts vs tax rises argument focussed espcially at low paid middle england. If he cuts too much then the Tories can come back with nasty labour party all the country must share the pain so raise VAT.

aelitaman

abaxas wrote: »

Sorry no.... I've changed my mind... I'll play the trump card...

Dear Labour voters,

Vote for me because I can write a cheque out for more than you earn in a year and wave it in your face on prime time telly. Suckers.

Love,

Loadsamoney Haz.

markharding557

The fact that labour steal ideas from the tories shows how close they really are

ses6jwg

Osbourne needs to go.

I would consider voting Tory, but whilst that plumhead is still shadow chancellor I shall be voting Lib Dem.

Kohoutek

markharding557 wrote: »

The fact that labour steal ideas from the tories shows how close they really are

Politics is just marketing these days. Labour stole ideas from the Thatcherite Tory consensus in the mid 90's to make them electable, now that traditional Tory values failed to win the 2001, 2005 elections they are stealing from Labour.

wigglebeena

Generali wrote: »

None of the 2 parties that will be able to form a Government after the election have any credible plan to reduce the deficit in the long term IMO.

I would like Labour to have to deal with the consequences of the massive f up that they left the country with (France and Germany don't have the same problems with their banks we should note).

Yes, let's all vote Labour. Seriously. That would be massively funny. I think Gordon is hoping for a respectably narrow defeat: sufficiently slight so he's not humiliated, but enough so he's not at risk of having to actually deal with consequences.

Conrad

chucky wrote: »

Osbourne is out of his depth - he's getting shown up each and every time that his plan isn't credible.

Yep and he's the main reason I won't be voting Tory for the first time in my life.

He's a disaster for the Tories, but Cameron hasn't spotted it yet.

Conrad

abaxas wrote: »

Ill call your Osborne but raise you...

The current cabinet... including such classics as the Millipeade.

I'm a Tory, Osbourne sends shivers down the spine.

He's a grim reaper that would kill confidence and hope - he must not get in at any cost.

Rochdale_Pioneers

Conrad wrote: »

I'm a Tory, Osbourne sends shivers down the spine.

He's a grim reaper that would kill confidence and hope - he must not get in at any cost.

And that seems to be the consensus amongst political commentators - the man is a disaster. Go read ConHome or the various Tory-leaning newspaper boards, he is loathed by his own side never mind anyone else. Cameron appears just as unable to sack him as Blair couldn't sack brown. The difference is that Brown won international respect as Chancellor (regardless of the partisan sniping from some on here, the evidence points to the rest of the world following Brown's lead in the bank nationalisation programme and fiscal stimulus programme). Osborne on the other hand isn't even respected in the city.

There is something about being told you are wrong he just doesn't get. Its not about do we cut or don't we - both sides will cut. Its cut early and deep that so alarms the experts. The IMF said don't do it. The BoE said don't do it. The ratings agencies said he was talking nonsense about a ratings downgrade. The markets bought gilts after he said they wouldn't. Even the trading houses are starting to say that his proposed policies would cause the market to crash - the opposite of what he claims.

If Cameron ditched him and replaced him with Hammond (or Clarke?) and we started to see some consistency in their policies, they stand a very real chance of reversing their crashing poll lead. But Cam can't.