Who loses with a Tory victory?

StevieJ

leveller2911 wrote: »

Redwood hasn't been in government for the last 13 yrs .As far as I can see Robert Moir wasn't crusading for the Tories at all in his post,he was merely stating facts.The fact is Labour totally failed to regulate the banking sector.

IMO theres very little difference between the "old boy network" of the Tory party and the "Jobs for the boys" of Nu Labour(prime example is Peter Mandelson), both are equelly wrong.....

Mr Cameron is believed to be fully behind Mr Redwood's programme in what will represent a significant shift to the Right at a time when his leadership has come under fire from his own side and his party is trailing Labour in the polls. George Osborne, the shadow chancellor, is expected to join Mr Redwood for the document's launch on Friday

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1560100/Tories-plan-14bn-cuts-to-red-tape.html
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Kohoutek

StevieJ wrote: »

Mr Cameron is believed to be fully behind Mr Redwood's programme in what will represent a significant shift to the Right at a time when his leadership has come under fire from his own side and his party is trailing Labour in the polls. George Osborne, the shadow chancellor, is expected to join Mr Redwood for the document's launch on Friday

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1560100/Tories-plan-14bn-cuts-to-red-tape.html
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That article is from 2.5 years ago. Cameron's policies change every 48 hours or so.

Redwood is still calling for 'deep and early' cuts (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7175160/John-Redwood-Tories-must-cut-early-and-deep.html) but Cameron still behind him? I thought Cameron most recent position was no early cuts.

RobertoMoir

Conrad wrote: »

John Redwood and co in 2007 were specifically arguing for a cull on regulation of financial services.

Why do you filter facts rather than take an impartial and balanced look at facts?

I'm life long tory but I can't abide fact filtering, it's so narrow minded.

Anyway for the first time I won't be voting Tory and this from someone who has always been staunch Tory.
The reason - Osbourne and co called it wrong too many times plus I resent being 'lead' by an exclusive Etonian club.

The Torys have made a fatal error in allowing the old boy network to take the reigns. Yes yes - factfilter alert - yes I know T Blair was public school.

Fact is though, Labour have missed a chance to put things right. Which you'd think they would if they were truly the party of the people. And when was John Redwood in power again?

And I have another problem with the current iteration of Labour. Nu Labour, if you like.

Y'see, I'm closer to the Tory ideals than anything else but I think having a strong pair of alternatives is important to keep things in balance - and the current Labour have abandoned their old roots in favour of a mixture of diluted versions of their old values, politically correct nonsense and "Tory-lite" business policies. I feel sorry for the traditional heartlands of labour because their party has abandoned them, and half of them haven't even realised.

ukcarper

RobertoMoir wrote: »

. I feel sorry for the traditional heartlands of labour because their party has abandoned them, and half of them haven't even realised.

I'm not sure they haven't realised it but what can they do

bodgerx

StevieJ wrote: »

So who is going to be on the end of the Tory austerity package?

Public workers for sure - Pay freeze and reduced pension rights

We already have those things under the present government.

Butterfly_Brain

As usual it will be the low paid, sick and disabled who will recieve the most cutbacks not all sick and disabled are scroungers - I am waiting for both of my knees to be replaced and can hardly walk and because of my age they won't do it yet because they say if I have them done now I will have only 3 -5 years before needing a revision, but I had to go to a tribunal to get the pitance they pay for help with care, wheelchairs, drugs etc ( prescriptions are not free for disabled unless you are in Scotland or Wales then we poor English have to subsidise them:mad:)Oh but wait does England still exist? ...........not according to the pen pushers it doesn't:mad:

RobertoMoir

ukcarper wrote: »

I'm not sure they haven't realised it but what can they do

Well what they could do is vote for someone other than Labour. Democracy, quite literally, at work. Of course if they all turn around and vote for "extremist" parties then we've got a bit of a problem - and I'd just like to send a bit "Thank You" out to the MPs who took the P on expenses once more for making the loony fringe parties more viable to desperate voters. Desperate people do stupid things.

If only there was a "none of the above" option on the ballot. As I said, I tend to vote Tory but there's been a few times I'd have liked to have voted "none of the above" to register my disgust with the whole lot.

ukcarper

RobertoMoir wrote: »

Well what they could do is vote for someone other than Labour. Democracy, quite literally, at work. Of course if they all turn around and vote for "extremist" parties then we've got a bit of a problem - and I'd just like to send a bit "Thank You" out to the MPs who took the P on expenses once more for making the loony fringe parties more viable to desperate voters. Desperate people do stupid things.

If only there was a "none of the above" option on the ballot. As I said, I tend to vote Tory but there's been a few times I'd have liked to have voted "none of the above" to register my disgust with the whole lot.

That's the problem they aren't going to vote Tory I wouldn’t. I suppose they could vote LibDem as they seem nearer too old labour than nu-labour are.

RobertoMoir

ukcarper wrote: »

That's the problem they aren't going to vote Tory I wouldn’t. I suppose they could vote LibDem as they seem nearer too old labour than nu-labour are.

Well they can vote libdem then. I wouldn't be unhappy with that. I wasn't suggesting they should vote Tory, I was simply suggesting they think about casting their vote rather than just blindly ticking a box.

kabayiri

I recently had cause to meet some 20 somethings, mostly lads. Not many had jobs.

I didn't expect them to be placid about their situation, but even I was shocked at the open anger they had for the current situation, and a lot of it was directed at the immigrant situation.

I suspect the nationalist parties are going to do quite well in parts of the NorthWest...