Civil Service - Tupe

Lyncroft

Thanks to you all.

Seems to be that most places that take people on TUPE end up having redundancies!

I'll probably get the email next week. Not sure how long they'll give me to make a decision. Not long I would imagine. If you take it you'll leave by 31/3/2010, so not long to sort something out, with leave to take I could be gone in a couple of weeks. Quite a thought.

I think I'd just be entitled to JSA. I have an interview next Thursday for a 1 year contract with a council.

Tough call to make.

Thanks for the work tip on the census and all the advice.

getmore4less

Contributions based JSA needs 2 years NI I think.

Can you ask for the redundancy componant to be paid next tax year.

If you get a better job it might be best taking it this year if you stay under the 40% threshold on the taxable bit.

Lyncroft

hello getmore4less

Not sure I'm with you on the tax stuff. I'm due 39k. I understand the first 30k is tax free, and then you get taxed on the next 9k - not sure tax exactly. I'm not in the high tax earning bracket. I think my next job is likely to be less than what I'm on now (about 30k)

mjm3346

Unless pay awards are part of your contract (which they almost certainly will not be) when you are moved your new employer does not have to give you another pay rise, although you may well be offered the chance to get pay rises by taking on the standard contract/conditions of the company you join. In the short term this does not make much difference but as each year passes the potential value of your pension can be dropping.
The MoJ did this to a group of staff transferred into them-
"The options exercise will require each individual member to make a choice between staying on existing terms without any future cost of living increases and opting into the Deal"

Lyncroft

Thanks for that. Wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

Something bothered me the last couple of days. I have a work mobile. Don't use it much. Anyway, yesterday turned it on and didn't recognise the sim card. Didn't think much of it. Turned it on today and still unrecognised. In the pub tonight and the thought occured to me - they've disconnected me because I've applied for the redundancy scheme. Might be wrong but what a bunch of f*ckwits. If so, that must have come from my head of dept who I get on well with. Strange people.

mjm3346

The mobile might be an oversight, it happened where I was before (didn't go down too well with the SCS who were cut off).

Lyncroft

You're probably right. Think I'm getting paranoid lol!

getmore4less

Lyncroft wrote: »

hello getmore4less

Not sure I'm with you on the tax stuff. I'm due 39k. I understand the first 30k is tax free, and then you get taxed on the next 9k - not sure tax exactly. I'm not in the high tax earning bracket. I think my next job is likely to be less than what I'm on now (about 30k)

The £9k just gets added to your yearly income and taxed at your normal rate so likely 20% if the total is around £39k for the year with the £9k payment, No NI on the £9k.

If this is done at the end of the tax year through payroll/PAYE it should all work out if not a tax return will do the job.

dampsquib

mjm3346 wrote: »

.... your new employer does not have to give you another pay rise ...."

It can work out the other way around. You could even do better with the new employer. When I got TUPE'd, I was pessimistic about my pay prospects on the "private" side of the fence, so left my existing pension funds behind in the Civil Service scheme (Deciding what to do with funds accumulated to date is another very tough decision you have to make without the aid of a crystal ball!). When redundancy finally came knocking on my door, due to a "final salary" pension scheme, I calculated that my pension would have been almost a thousand pound a year higher had I moved all my funds into the new employers scheme. This was due to my salary having risen higher with the new employer than I'd expected. On the other hand though, in these troubled times, having "my eggs in more than one basket" is a comforting thought.

mjm3346

I agree with dampsquib that it can work out both ways and in the good times civil servants will often do worse than the private sector and as these are far from good times it could be worth securing what you have.