MSE Parents Club Part 10

SusanC_2

There's a summary of the research article on paracetamol and vaccines at PubMed and The Lancet if anyone is interested.

aless02 wrote: »

Susa, that's a really interesting article. Is there an alternative to Calpol or similar*? This is where not being British comes into play, as I don't know anything about children's products/medicines. Personally, I only take paracetamol if I'm pretty bad pain (as opposed to minor niggles) so perhaps that's a good policy to translate to my children.

* or maybe we should just go back to the "old ways" of letting fevers run their course, provided they aren't the dangerous sort? Hmm...

We sometimes give Alice water from syringe when she asks for medicine and we don't think she needs it. Not sure the placebo effect works with babies though. I guess the thing to do is to only use it if you really think it's needed rather than "just in case" or for the psychological effect.

SugarSpun wrote: »

Do you think the parents who use Calpol at the first sign of a sniffle are also more likely to obsessively disinfect and do other stuff associated with interfering with immune development/asthma/allergies? Or that sickly children get more Calpol?

Possibly. It was also a retrospective study done using a questionnaire. If parents knew that the purpose of the study was to investigate whether there is a link between paracetamol use in the first year then that might also have influenced the results because the very fact that they are doing a study about it suggest that there is. (Although possibly they allowed for thigns like that in their statistical analysis.) I guess the only way to find out would be to compare a group of people who didn't use paracetmol by choice with a group of people who have not used it for the purposes of the study but would have done otherwise. Can't see it happening though because it's a lot more expensive than a retrospective study. Although the fact that it interferes with the response to vaccines means it has already been established that it can interfere with the immune system which lends credence to the idea that the actual paracetamol is a factor.

jillie1974

glad dylan is doing so well mm

Buttonmoons

Keira asks for medicine aswell, she has asked for it about 12 times today, and I just told her it will make her sick if she has too much, but it was because she was complaining of a sore tummy, so I told her to go and try and have a poop, and she did and normally her poops look like rabbit droppings, whats that lack of fibre? Anyways it came out normal today and she shouted me through

"MUUUUUUUUM MY POOP LOOKS LIKE A BONE, IS IT FROM MY ARM"

:rotfl:

money_maker_3

Susan, do you know if there are any effects on kids that would have had asthma anyway ??

Jas has asthma, bad enough that we are in A & E 3-4 times a year for her to go on the nebuliser, bu she has never had an attack really badly thankfully. However, she was fairly pre-disposed to getting it as all the women in my mums family, including me had childhood asthma, and all started around 4 or 5 (which Jasmines did) and all grew out of it by the time we were early teens, so we have to wait to see if Jas does

ladybirdintheuk

Evening all. How is everyone?

I hear there is good news from the west country Tara

Beanie how did you get on today? Did he show? Did you give him all the nasty jobs?!

SusanC_2

Buttonmoons wrote: »

Thing is she had just drank a whole cup of milk, some apples and blueberries and half a weetabix, so no doubt that added to her weight. Poor thing.....She still has to wear age 18month skirts because she has no waist!

But needs a 3-4 for leg length in trousers. It's such an nightmare, they make clothes for fat kids nowadays! It's the only reason I can think off, because Keira isn't underweight or overweight, she's average height and weight (probably) so why does NOWT fit her properly? Tshirts and jumpers tend too (though long in the arm, and I swear if any child had arms THAT long, they'd be an orangutang)

Children's clothing size make no sense to me at all. Alice is taller than average (between 75th and 91st centile) and wears 12-18m/2-3y trousers, 5-6 tights, 2-3/3-4 t-shirts, 4-5 coat and dresses ranging from 2-3 to 6-7 (and has outgrown some 5-6 dresses).

money_maker wrote: »

Other than that, he said something that made me feel weird He said at the end that he is doing really well and he never imagined him being able to do half the stuff he is when he first saw him ........ its things like that that make me realise just how sick my baby boy actually was and how far he has come !!

:j for Dylan doing so well! I think they must tend to think pessimistic but not let on. When my mum told the Dr my brother had smiled (at about six months I think), he said, "There's hope." which made her think he mustn't have thought there was any hope before that. I guess it would be very hard mentally to do a job like that if you didn't always expect the worst and then get suprised by children doing better than you expected. Does that make sense?

money_maker_3

SusanC wrote: »

:j for Dylan doing so well! I think they must tend to think pessimistic but not let on. When my mum told the Dr my brother had smiled (at about six months I think), he said, "There's hope." which made her think he mustn't have thought there was any hope before that. I guess it would be very hard mentally to do a job like that if you didn't always expect the worst and then get suprised by children doing better than you expected. Does that make sense?

Makes perfect sense, you couldnt do that job day in and out expecting miracles all the time, it must be easier to be pleased when you can be :cool:

Thank you everyone for Dylans congrats, I am sure he would give you all a sloppy mouth lunge if he was awake and could reach you all :rotfl:

SugarSpun

I think it's really interesting Susan, but the immune system development has so many potentially interfering variables that it would be almost impossible to exclude anything - the best we'd be hoping for is correlation.

Has Beenie been on? I was looking out for her but have been off doing work, good me.

I'm also feeling a bit Hmphy because I've been exhausted all day because I was up half the night with the monster, but for some reason I seem to wake right up around 8pm and OH takes Molly off to bed. So they get 3-4 hours sleep ahead of me and while I appreciate the quiet time and this is where I get most of my work done I find myself being a bit resentful that he's snoozing away and I'm working after 10pm because I was looking after Molly while she grizzled and her teeth caused her pain all afternoon and didn't have free hands.

AND my neighbour is playing music on his bastage stereo, and I'm so upset that anyone would think we'd hurt Molly, even though I know he didn't actually think it he was just making a malicious complaint.

Dylan is a tiny little rock star.

Buttonmoons

SusanC wrote: »

Children's clothing size make no sense to me at all. Alice is taller than average (between 75th and 91st centile) and wears 12-18m/2-3y trousers, 5-6 tights, 2-3/3-4 t-shirts, 4-5 coat and dresses ranging from 2-3 to 6-7 (and has outgrown some 5-6 dresses).

See Keira wears 4-5 knickers and 5-6 tights too, 1 of her coats is 18-24 months and drowns her still, she has a nice dressy purple coat, that's age 2-3 and still too big.

I wish they'd all just make the clothes the same! I would buy her nice dresses and things off ebay but I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of sending it back, though dresses seem to be okay as they don't need a waist!

So how tall is Alice? I really have no clue about percentiles! I rarely bothered to get Keira weighed :rotfl:

She's 3ft 2" and well 2 stone 5. Bet the NHS bmi thing says she is fat, Im away to check lol

Buttonmoons

59th centile, they say 14.9kg is 2stone 4lbs.

Im sure she was about the 50th percentile when she was born. I'd have to dig the book out. I still have her measuring tape with her length marked on it. I'm sure it was about 22inches, but that might be wrong haha!