Average civil servant earns less than a private sector worker

ILW

How many people work in the civil service?

ILW

ILW wrote: »

How many people work in the civil service?

About half of them.

Johnny_Doe

According to:

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_labour/ASHE-2009/2009_work_la.pdf

Table 7.7a

Median salary for all workers in UK is £21320 inc OT etc.. ?

Lower than your figures?

Sorry just read it's only full time workers

andykn

princeofpounds wrote: »

And although some councils at least now ask for a tiny contribution to pension plans now, it's a scratch on the surface and only a recent development.

Is the rest of your post as rubbish as this?

My parents both paid 6% of their salary into their public sector pensions all their working lives, one in the NHS, then Social Services at the County Council and the other for a number of Borough and District Councils.

Basil_Hume

As I understand it, most public sector pension schemes have quite high (and rising) contribution rates. I also understand that most, if not all, are self-funding schemes - i.e. paid for by current members, rather than somehow "gifted" by Joe Public.

The median earnings figures over time would be interesting, against headcount. That would be highly likely to show the lower earners transferring to the private sector (e.g. cleaners, ancillary staff etc), which would of course push up the median wage of remaining public servants.

woody01

I'm private sector and have a final salary pension

Davesnave

andykn wrote: »

My parents both paid 6% of their salary into their public sector pensions all their working lives, one in the NHS, then Social Services at the County Council and the other for a number of Borough and District Councils.

Me too, plus AVCs with a private provider.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem funding public sector pensions, because I understand that there is. What I object to is the insinuation that we either don't deserve the pensions we contracted to pay into, or that we somehow connived to screw those in the private sector.

Eventually, I think public sector retirees will suffer freezes & cuts, simply because the money won't be there. That would, of course, have a knock-on for the private sector, as most of us spend a considerable amount of our pension income.

mjm3346

The figures include the senior civil servants on £100k +, the bulk of the workforce are on nothing like that.
The national pay for the highest admin (non-manager) grade in UKBA is £15,386. Someone working for 40 years on that would earn a pension of £7693 plus a lump sum of £23k. Better than a poke in the eye with a stick but miles away from what most people seem to assume.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/aboutus/workingforus/currentvacancies/

torontoboy45

Basil_Hume wrote: »

As I understand it, most public sector pension schemes have quite high (and rising) contribution rates. I also understand that most, if not all, are self-funding schemes - i.e. paid for by current members, rather than somehow "gifted" by Joe Public.

The median earnings figures over time would be interesting, against headcount. That would be highly likely to show the lower earners transferring to the private sector (e.g. cleaners, ancillary staff etc), which would of course push up the median wage of remaining public servants.

thank you, basil, and i do wish people who post here could simply shut up about matters of which they don't understand.

I'm sick and tired of 'views' about this issue that come straight out of the mail/express/eve.standard, when people could easily stop the lazy thinking and do some research -it doesn't take that much.

simply moronic behaviour from certain quarters who exhort people to stop following the herd re HPI but can't help themselves when they catch a headline.

pathetic.

Mr_Mumble

Serious answer to the above query on the civil service. As of September 2009 there were 532,000 people working for the civil service (excluding N.Ireland), and 6,093,000 working in the public sector as a whole. So, less than 10% of the public sector.

The public & private sector section (page 8) of the ONS Labour Market Statistics release for September-November:

Private sector earnings
Average total pay (including bonuses) in the private sector was £447 per week in November 2009. In the three months to November 2009 total pay in the private sector fell by 0.1 per cent on a year earlier.

Average regular pay (excluding bonuses) in the private sector was £414 per week in November 2009. In the three months to November 2009 regular pay in the private sector rose by 0.2 per cent on a year earlier.

Public sector earnings
Average total pay (including bonuses) in the public sector was £459 per week in November 2009. In the three months to November 2009 total pay in the public sector rose by 3.8 per cent on a year earlier.

Average regular pay (excluding bonuses) in the public sector was £455 per week in November 2009. In the three months to November 2009 regular pay in the public sector rose by 3.8 per cent on a year earlier.