Employing a non contract cleaner?

TomsMom

Steve_xx wrote: »

As you say, you'd be happy to accept £6 if there was nothing better on offer. Your staff would have felt the same, no doubt.

You were taking advantage of these people and well you know it. So don't try and lull us all into thinking you were a considerate employer. You were a user of people at the minimal possible cost. Not dissimilar to how most businesses operate, but that doesn't make it right.

I don't see how I was taking advantage of them if I was paying more than most of the other employers here. And if any employee thought I was taking advantage they would not have stayed.

I don't know where you live or what the rate of pay for a cleaner is there, but at the time £6 per hour here was more than most people paid, and most of them are still only paying the minimum wage now. Do you want to blame me for that? City rates of pay are generally more than little out of the way rural places and you can't lay that one on me.

Yes I would like to comment on agency pay. They make a bad situation even worse for the cleaners since they want a cut of their already pitiful salaries.

So go tell it to them. Stop having a go at me. Make it a your crusade - find out what all the shops/pubs/catering businesses etc. in rural areas all over the country are paying and then contact them all and tell them how you think they are using and taking advantage of people. Oh and while you're at it, you might like to contact all the cleaning agencies and tell them what you think of them.

You haven't succeeded in winding me up so I suggest you go and pick an argument in someone else's thread because you wont get any further responses.

angelsmomma

Oh dear, dare I add that I only charged £6 and hour until November when I put it up to £7

TomsMom

angelsmomma wrote: »

Oh dear, dare I add that I only charged £6 and hour until November when I put it up to £7

:rotfl: . Sorry, couldn't help laughing!

If I have interpreted that correctly then you are self-employed and set your own rate at £6 per hour? Be careful Angelsmomma, I think someone may come along and give you a roasting for selling yourself short and being responsible for other cleaners' low pay :rotfl: .

Just goes to show then that the rate of pay I paid 12 months ago wasn't unusual or taking advantage. Oh, wait, no ..... I've been branded a baaaad employer, good job I'm retired now!

DrScotsman

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

- Am I employing them? YES Do I have tax liabilities? YES?

Really?

I'm not an expert, but I always assumed the cleaner would be self employed. Does anyone else think that you're employing them?

I always figured the whole just-turn-up-and-clean-and-here's-your-cash-in-hand-you-work-out-your-tax-not-me thing was the norm, are that many people breaking the law?

1984ReturnsForReal_2

drscotsman wrote: »

really?

I'm not an expert, but i always assumed the cleaner would be self employed. Does anyone else think that you're employing them?

i always figured the whole just-turn-up-and-clean-and-here's-your-cash-in-hand-you-work-out-your-tax-not-me thing was the norm, are that many people breaking the law? yes

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angelsmomma

TomsMom wrote: »

:rotfl: . Sorry, couldn't help laughing!

If I have interpreted that correctly then you are self-employed and set your own rate at £6 per hour? Be careful Angelsmomma, I think someone may come along and give you a roasting for selling yourself short and being responsible for other cleaners' low pay :rotfl: .

Just goes to show then that the rate of pay I paid 12 months ago wasn't unusual or taking advantage. Oh, wait, no ..... I've been branded a baaaad employer, good job I'm retired now!

I think you may be rightTomsMom I will get a roasting. :rotfl::rotfl:



I just charge what I think is reasonable to keep me in work. I use all their cleaning products and only work locally so walk to clients premises. No expenses incurred and more than mimimum pay. I am happy with that. :j

I only put it up as I kept seeing adverts from other people charging From £8 and realised I was charging a lot less than others.



It is not against the law. I am registered for tax and national insurance. I keep books about all my earnings. I am also an avon rep and keep books for that. I am fully self employed.

DrScotsman

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

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Well given that I now see quite a few posts mentioning self-employed cleaners, I'm wondering if I'm being trolled here. How's a cleaner an different from a plumber or decorator? Or do you employ plumbers as well?

Why has some of my post lost its upper case when quoted by the way? What a strange phenomenon...

1984ReturnsForReal_2

DrScotsman wrote: »

Well given that I now see quite a few posts mentioning self-employed cleaners, I'm wondering if I'm being trolled here. How's a cleaner an different from a plumber or decorator? Or do you employ plumbers as well?

Why has some of my post lost its upper case when quoted by the way? What a strange phenomenon...

Does a plumber or an electrician come around your house 2.5 hrs a week every week on a Friday morning?

NICE TRY.


You could ask Baroness Scotland what the legal position of cleaners is. I hear she has had some experience.

Or alternatively post your query about cash, labour & regular working hours on the employment board.

& should you be paying cash-in-hand on a weekly basis to your cleaner I suggest you maybe consider putting your query on the tax board also.

You also may also want to find out who is responsible for checking the employment status of the cleaner you have, you know, illegal workers etc..

TCB1

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Does a plumber or an electrician come around your house 2.5 hrs a week every week on a Friday morning?

NICE TRY.


You could ask Baroness Scotland what the legal position of cleaners is. I hear she has had some experience.

Or alternatively post your query about cash, labour & regular working hours on the employment board.

& should you be paying cash-in-hand on a weekly basis to your cleaner I suggest you maybe consider putting your query on the tax board also.

You also may also want to find out who is responsible for checking the employment status of the cleaner you have, you know, illegal workers etc..

I am a tax accountant and I can assure you that you are normally not your cleaners employer, they are self employed. The only time you might be classed as their employer would be if they only cleaned for you and no-one else.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

TCB1 wrote: »

I am a tax accountant and I can assure you that you are normally not your cleaners employer, they are self employed. The only time you might be classed as their employer would be if they only cleaned for you and no-one else.

Thank you.

So they should register as self-employed.

I would love to know your opinion on what is likely to be the HMRCs thoughts on the OPs posts:

"Employing a non contract cleaner? "

"I'd be happier paying the hard working cleaner the agencies cut!"

"we really liked our last lady and would have happily paid her the agencies money and cut them out!"