New parking appeals panel

Dublindel

Now that the transport secretary (Sadiq Khan) has announced a new independant appeals tribunal for PPC's, we have to start asking some serious questions.

Will Fines/punitive charges be ruled out as they are not legal?

Who will run the Tribunals,
Hopefully not the BPA as they are in bed with the PPC's

Will new legislation be brought in as rulings by a tribunal will need the teeth to deliver its verdicts, otherwise we will ignore them as well,

Will terms and conditions of PPC's be properly scrutinised and adjusted as necessary?

Who will fund this new tribunal?

Will it be TRULY INDEPENDANT?

Will the law of trespass and only claims for actual losses be the main claim that is allowed ONLY..........

Many more questions to be asked and answered. can this be made a sticky by someone as this is now our new focus and we should involve ourselves as much as possible so as to influence how this new tribunal operates. we have to be sure that we do not end up with a new body that simply enforces scam invoices

Premier_2

A new independent appeals panel to stop motorists from being unfairly fined by unscrupulous private car parking companies is to be established.

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Mr Khan said it was clearly time for the government to step in.
"What the current bill going through parliament is saying is that there will now be hopefully be an independent complaints mechanism available so people who are aggrieved can make a complaint to an independent appeals panel," he said.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8450403.stm

Why the need for an appeals panel when some posters on here simply say ignore any charges, because they claim they are unlawful, illegal and/or unenforcible?

Could those posters on here be misguided?

sarahg1969

Why the need for an appeals panel, when all they have to do is issue County Court proceedings if you don't pay? All that's really needed is a bit of education. The processes are already in place, in reality. A tribunal is never going to overrule centuries of contract law.

Alpine_Star

Premier wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8450403.stm

Why the need for an appeals panel when some posters on here simply say ignore any charges, because they claim they are unlawful, illegal and/or unenforcible?

Could those posters on here be misguided?

Now this is a complete stab in the dark but it might be that the need for an appeals panel is to adjudicate on behalf of all those who believe they have genuine disputes. But it's just a guess mind.

Sir_Roger_deLodger

Premier wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8450403.stm

Why the need for an appeals panel when some posters on here simply say ignore any charges, because they claim they are unlawful, illegal and/or unenforcible?

Could those posters on here be misguided?

No. If we are misguided why havent I been to court yet? My first PPC invoice was in 2005.

Premier_2

Sir_Roger_deLodger wrote: »

No. If we are misguided why havent I been to court yet? My first PPC invoice was in 2005.

Sounds like there's no need for an appeals panel then, eh? :cool:

And perhaps ciggies are not as bad as people claim either, there was an old dear who smoked 20 a day since she was 15 and she lived to over a 100 years old. Meanwhile some non smokers are kicking the bucket at a lot yonger age. :rolleyes:

Premier_2

sarahg1969 wrote: »

Why the need for an appeals panel, when all they have to do is issue County Court proceedings if you don't pay? All that's really needed is a bit of education. The processes are already in place, in reality. A tribunal is never going to overrule centuries of contract law.

You could say the same for any mediation service, but a court action should be seen as a last resort.

Perhaps it's because the courts are seeing so many of these claims, that an appeals tribunal needs to be set up in an attempt to reduce the number of court cases?

trisontana

Premier wrote: »

You could say the same for any mediation service, but a court action should be seen as a last resort.

Perhaps it's because the courts are seeing so many of these claims, that an appeals tribunal needs to be set up in an attempt to reduce the number of court cases?

I don't think there are many court cases. In fact there are hardly any.You either get people who believe all the PPC rubbish and pay up without question, and the other group who ignore the PPC letters, with the PPCs eventually not pursuing the matter any further

Spartacus_Mills

Premier wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8450403.stm

Why the need for an appeals panel when some posters on here simply say ignore any charges, because they claim they are unlawful, illegal and/or unenforcible?

Could those posters on here be misguided?

Well one of them certainly is :rolleyes:

HO87

Establishing an appeals service (independent or otherwise its completely irrelevant) is simply a means of providing a fig leaf of respectability to the PPC "industry" that, at best, exists in the legal shadows but, I would venture to suggest, the actual driving force has little to do with a desire for respectability. As I have said before the value of the "market" created by the PPC's is now substantial and as a consequence there is a whole rake of cash in the trough and space for a few more snouts yet. That is the real attraction.

Unless Sadiq Khan has a different understanding of the law then someone is hoodwinking him. The creation of an appeals service - who are ultimately going to make decisions about the law of contract and/or trespass - will interpose a tribunal between the aggrieved and the traditional forum of resolution. There is absolutely no necessity for an appeals service as it already exists in the shape of the County Court and the established routes of ADR.

Dublindel

I agree with all the comments so far. I know that the election is months away and this could be shelved and that the courts are our defence etc etc. However! the minister has gone public and admitted that self regulation is not working, therefore at some point we can expect some changes.

It might be a good exercise if we assume that this might happen and debate how it might be implemented.

The government rake in £6m per year throught the DVLA furnishing these parasites with our details and I dont think they will want to give that up. I fear that like clamping, the government will mess this up and come down on the side of the PPC's but with limitations on size of invoices etc and give some dredibility which makes it a harder fight in Court. we also have to be aware that we are the minority as the majority are not aware of the legal position and still pay up.

So! If we have to have an appeals panel. how do you think it should be set up and run and will there be new legislation to cover the new rules.

Sorry but I always look both ways when crossing a one way street