Unfair Christmas Eve or New Years Eve working

anyfreebies

iamana1ias wrote: »

Have you read "most people's contracts" then?

Most people's contracts originate from a generic contract that a bank produces and is adapted for the individual to include their name, the name of company, salary, hours and place of work, so if you've seen one you've seen about 20% of them. Mine actually says (c) HBOS on some pages even though I don't work for a bank. Are you suggesting that most people are told they have 28 days holidays which may or may not include bank holidays? In the retail or transport industry I can see that being the case but for most other industries then no.

rupee99

computershack wrote: »

Is wrong. It is 28 days paid leave. There is nothing in the legislation which states bank holidays are classed as "statutory" holidays and gives automatic entitlement to time off. The Working Time Regulations merely state 5.6 weeks.

26 with 6 full years NI? Wow, in education until you were 20....

The first part of your post, as highlighted, is incorrect. The days commonly called bank holidays (for the avoidance of doubt 1January, Good Friday*, Easter Monday, First and Last Monday in May, Last Monday in August, 25 December* and 26 December and their equivelents in Scotland and Northern Ireland) are, with the exception of the two marked with an asterisk that are common law holidays, set out in legislation.

Many employment contracts issued before the Working Time Regulations (WTR) came into force last October incorporate them into their terms, because it was common practice. and nothing in the WTR alters that as long as the a 5 day week full time employee is entitled to at least 28 days per annum including them. Therefore a lot of people, possibly the majority, are entitled to them by right because of legislation.

Emmzi

I am going to start making all my staff work a full day wether there are things for them to do or not all the time to stop the whinging.

iamana1ias

anyfreebies wrote: »

Most people's contracts originate from a generic contract that a bank produces and is adapted for the individual to include their name, the name of company, salary, hours and place of work, so if you've seen one you've seen about 20% of them. Mine actually says (c) HBOS on some pages even though I don't work for a bank.

I can assure you that is not the case :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Yours may well have come from a bank, but of the millions of people employed in the UK I'd bet less than 0.5% of contracts have come from a bank!

anyfreebies wrote: »

Are you suggesting that most people are told they have 28 days holidays which may or may not include bank holidays? In the retail or transport industry I can see that being the case but for most other industries then no.

What about nurses, police staff, emergency services then? You think they all get bank holidays off, do you? They usually get extra money or time off later, but they often don't get to choose whether they work bank holidays or not.

If you wanted to you could employ someone, give them 28 days holiday per year but make them take 8 on bank holidays, or even make them work bank holidays. Nothing in legislation prevents this for any profession.

pinkshoes

If an employer wants to let their employees go early, and foot the cost, then that is their discretion.

If you chose to take this day as holiday, then so be it. If you chose to work it, then lucky you.

My employee let us go 2 hours early on Christmas Eve which was nice of them, and usually what they do every year. One muppet in my office worked in the morning and booked the afternoon as holiday, so they only got 1 hour off work for their half day!

It is the most ridiculous petition I've ever seen.

anamenottaken

rupee99 wrote: »

Many employment contracts issued before the Working Time Regulations (WTR) came into force last October . . . ..
Therefore a lot of people, possibly the majority, are entitled to them by right because of legislation.

The WT Regs came into force on 1 October 1998. There have been amendments since then - including, over time, increasing the allowance to include time equivalent to eight bank holidays. But that, as others have said, does not give a right to the holidays themselves.

If people are entitled to bank holidays because of their contracts, that isn't really because of legislation.

rupee99

anamenottaken wrote: »

The WT Regs came into force on 1 October 1998. There have been amendments since then - including, over time, increasing the allowance to include time equivalent to eight bank holidays. But that, as others have said, does not give a right to the holidays themselves.

If people are entitled to bank holidays because of their contracts, that isn't really because of legislation.

That was an amendment that came into effect on 1 October 2009.

In itself it actually removes the right for most people to have Bank Holidays, but as I imagine most people have not had their contracts of employment changed their right to those days remains enshrined in their per-existing contracts and the legislation then extant.

From the directgov web-site

"Your contract may set out other rules about when you can take your holiday. This is allowed so long as the rules don't effectively prevent you from taking holiday at all."

I agree it is a convoluted arguement but as, I believe, the majority of people still work on contracts drafted or issued before 1 October 2009 they are, de facto, entitled to bank holidays by virtue of legislation. This does not, of course, include people whose contracts used to include bank holiday working anyway.

Welshwoofs

Dear oh lord. This has to be the most ridiculous petition I've seen.

What's the matter OP, is work inconveniencing your social life? Why not go the whole hog and demand a statutory day off for your birthday so that you can knock off early and get !!!!!! without losing any of your holiday entitlement.

Procrastinator333

16 signatures and counting. No stopping it now. :j

anamenottaken

rupee99 wrote: »

That was an amendment that came into effect on 1 October 2009.

In itself it actually removes the right for most people to have Bank Holidays, but as I imagine most people have not had their contracts of employment changed their right to those days remains enshrined in their per-existing contracts and the legislation then extant.

From the directgov web-site

"Your contract may set out other rules about when you can take your holiday. This is allowed so long as the rules don't effectively prevent you from taking holiday at all."

I agree it is a convoluted arguement but as, I believe, the majority of people still work on contracts drafted or issued before 1 October 2009 they are, de facto, entitled to bank holidays by virtue of legislation. This does not, of course, include people whose contracts used to include bank holiday working anyway.

The change on 1 October 2009 was the second tranche of the 8 days.

If people have bank holidays as part of their holiday entitlement then this is because of their contracts, not because of legislation.