Non gas safe engineer allowed to work on boiler?

autopetfeeder

HI


As far as I can see it is allowed that a non-gas safe engineer can work on any gas stuff in the house. For example, consider a company of 2 people. One is gas safe registered and is the employer but the other is actually doing the work and isn't gas safe registered. In this case the non-gas safe person is allowed to work on gas pipework and boilers etc?

Is that right?

penrhyn

What is the basis for your proposition, can you provide a citation?

Canucklehead

autopetfeeder wrote: »

HI


As far as I can see it is allowed that a non-gas safe engineer can work on any gas stuff in the house. For example, consider a company of 2 people. One is gas safe registered and is the employer but the other is actually doing the work and isn't gas safe registered. In this case the non-gas safe person is allowed to work on gas pipework and boilers etc?

Is that right?

Good evening: see here for advice from GSR.

HTH

Canucklehead

C_Mababejive

Anyone who is competent can work on Gas installations/appliances and they do not need to be GSR registered unless they are doing it by way of trade..i.e they charge for their services.

One might envisage a situation in which a competent (but not GSR registered)engineer undertakes work and then sells the customer an interesting booklet all about energy efficiency or similar.

autopetfeeder

penrhyn wrote: »

What is the basis for your proposition, can you provide a citation?

It would seem many local firms operate like this. i.e. they have a main gas safe boss and then an "installation engineer" who is not gas safe.

Thanks to the op for the other link - I've read that and it doesn't answer my question as far as I can see.

mikey72

Depends on the job.
I can work on boilers, I'm the sparky, my mate is gas safe, he does the gas side, and it's done on his ticket.
All the wiring, I'll do, usually on a new installation. If the boiler fails out of warranty, I can look at it, but I won't touch the gas. If it is the gas, he'll fix it.

The GSR site never addresses the fact most apprentices aren't gas safe registered, they work on the employers ticket. Could be the first time out for some of them, then again they could know as much as the employer.
At the end of the day the guy who is gas safe is signing it off, it's his responsibility to make sure it's right, whether it's done personally by him, or his apprentice.

Possetjohn

Hi Canucklehead,

Always very impressed with your help to posters on this forum! Keep it up.

Looked at the link you posted and was interested to read the following pasted below

What gas work needs to be done by a registered engineer?

All gas work carried out in your home and in certain commercial premises should be done by a Gas Safe registered engineer. Gas work includes:

• installing, repairing or servicing a gas boiler
• installing or repairing a gas fire, gas cooker or hob
• any other work on a heat producing appliance, for example radiators or your hot water system, if it is connected to either a Natural Gas or LPG (liquid petroleum gas) supply

I totally agree with the first two bullet points
I think the third bullet point is very misleading! This implies that the DIYer is not allowed to remove a radiator from your central heating system to paint it or manually flush it. Or change a tap or any piping connected to the hot water system. Radiators are not normally connected to a gas supply, unless it means a gas fired convector (not what it says!). Hot water systems are usually only connected indirectly to the gas heating system except in the case of direct water heaters

Comments?

Canucklehead

Possetjohn wrote: »

Hi Canucklehead,

Always very impressed with your help to posters on this forum! Keep it up.

Looked at the link you posted and was interested to read the following pasted below

What gas work needs to be done by a registered engineer?

All gas work carried out in your home and in certain commercial premises should be done by a Gas Safe registered engineer. Gas work includes:

• installing, repairing or servicing a gas boiler
• installing or repairing a gas fire, gas cooker or hob
• any other work on a heat producing appliance, for example radiators or your hot water system, if it is connected to either a Natural Gas or LPG (liquid petroleum gas) supply

I totally agree with the first two bullet points
I think the third bullet point is very misleading! This implies that the DIYer is not allowed to remove a radiator from your central heating system to paint it or manually flush it. Or change a tap or any piping connected to the hot water system. Radiators are not normally connected to a gas supply, unless it means a gas fired convector (not what it says!). Hot water systems are usually only connected indirectly to the gas heating system except in the case of direct water heaters

Comments?

Good evening: I recommend anyone concerned with the semantics contact GSR for clarification.;) One does wonder if someone considers themselves competent and does gas work for financial gain in various guises why they don't become GSR...rhetorical question btw....I know why they don't.:rolleyes:

HTH

Canucklehead

Canucklehead

autopetfeeder wrote: »

It would seem many local firms operate like this. i.e. they have a main gas safe boss and then an "installation engineer" who is not gas safe.

Thanks to the op for the other link - I've read that and it doesn't answer my question as far as I can see.

Contact GSR and ask.

Canucklehead

C_Mababejive

A side issue i know but i'm guessing readers will have viewed the GSR site? Now then,if you were say..a teacher or a doctor,how would you feel about your personal info and photo being flouted on the internet?

Cardew

Possetjohn wrote: »

Hi Canucklehead,

Always very impressed with your help to posters on this forum! Keep it up.

Looked at the link you posted and was interested to read the following pasted below

What gas work needs to be done by a registered engineer?



All gas work carried out in your home and in certain commercial premises should be done by a Gas Safe registered engineer. Gas work includes:

• installing, repairing or servicing a gas boiler
• installing or repairing a gas fire, gas cooker or hob
• any other work on a heat producing appliance, for example radiators or your hot water system, if it is connected to either a Natural Gas or LPG (liquid petroleum gas) supply

I totally agree with the first two bullet points
I think the third bullet point is very misleading! This implies that the DIYer is not allowed to remove a radiator from your central heating system to paint it or manually flush it. Or change a tap or any piping connected to the hot water system. Radiators are not normally connected to a gas supply, unless it means a gas fired convector (not what it says!). Hot water systems are usually only connected indirectly to the gas heating system except in the case of direct water heaters

Comments?

At the risk of upsetting Canuckleheadand (I agree about admiring his input to MSE), the RGI, not unsurprisingly, has a very clear incentive to protective the livelyhood of members on the Register.

Much like Electrical work where changng a 13 amp plug is about the limit of electrical work a layman can perform, the RGI have 'played the safety card'.

In fact all 3 bullet points are deliberately misleading. - note they use the term 'should' not 'must'!

If you are 'competent' you can carry out work on gas appliances as long as it is not part of your business. This from the HSE website:

by law only a competent person can carry out work

on gas appliances or fittings

. Do-it-yourself work on

gas appliances or fittings could be dangerous and

is likely to be illegal;

They don't of course define 'competent'.

As I have said previously, the full manufacturer's service schedule on my boilers is simple for anyone with a reasonable mechanical knowledge. It consist of cleaning the burner, checking flue and visual checks - not a single adjustment required. I have also seen Corgi fitters carry out the very simple servicing.

I have changed a thermocouple(the commonest fault on a boiler) and it really is simple.

Not that I am for one moment suggesting that DIY on gas appliances is recommended, but I really do object to the high prices often charged by people hiding behind the safety issue!!!