Non gas safe engineer allowed to work on boiler?

C_Mababejive

But it wasnt those who work in the gas engineering industry who instigated gas registration. Way back when we had a nationalised gas industry,there was no registration scheme as we know it now. This was mostly becuase most of the work was done by the nationalised gas industry and they were the main source of trained gas engineers. Post privatisation,these controls were put in place simply to placate the public into beleiving everything will still be ok.

The actual cost of obtaining ACS certification isnt that high.

Thats probably why the industry has had a flood of people being conned into thinking they can make a fortune as a gas ngineer and has led to an influx of clueless people.

Thats the way it is in the UK. If you carry a toolbag,you are looked down on whereas if you nibble a biro and wear a suit,you are professional. Until that changes there will always be issues with poorly trained people. But then it isnt only toolbags. One only has to read the thread on Wolstenholmes ripoff solicitors of Manchester. Maybe Dom Littlewood will do a tv proggy about solicitors from hell?

keystone

C_Mababejive wrote: »

Anyone who is competent can work on Gas installations/appliances and they do not need to be GSR registered unless they are doing it by way of trade..i.e they charge for their services.

Either by way of monetary remuneration or benefit in kind.

One might envisage a situation in which a competent (but not GSR registered)engineer undertakes work and then sells the customer an interesting booklet all about energy efficiency or similar.

Indeed but I would suggest that the two are so closely linked as to consitute payment. UNless the charge for the booklet is £ 1.50 but I can't see that happening LoL.

Cheers

keystone

Cardew quoted this from the HSE site:

Do-it-yourself work on

gas appliances or fittings could be dangerous and

is likely to be illegal;

It ISN'T actually illegal to DIY gaswork in your own home and HSE themselves say, can find the doc at present, that there "is insufficient evidence to make it illegal".

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mikey72

But it's not a good idea.
Whenever you touch gas you should always do a drop test, how many people own a manometer? (I'm not saying all RGI fitters do one either, before anyone posts about how their cooker was swopped in 5 minutes!).
Competent means a lot of different things to different people. I know people who think they were competent with electricity, but in there case I can realise why we need "part p"

keystone

mikey72 wrote: »

But it's not a good idea.

Quite agree.

Whenever you touch gas you should always do a drop test, how many people own a manometer? (I'm not saying all RGI fitters do one either, before anyone posts about how their cooker was swopped in 5 minutes!).

Indeed - in the same way you should always "test for dead" on electrics.

Competent means a lot of different things to different people.

Just a great pity that TPTB obfuscate the issue - 'cos they can't properly define it either!

I know people who think they were competent with electricity, but in there case I can realise why we need "part p"

Yep.

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lemontart

gas is a potentially lethal substance. whilst removing a radiator from a wall to decorate is not likely to effect the gas aspect of your systems as they have either water or oil in touching the boiler it self or the fire can effect it causing all sorts of problems such as gas leaks, carbon monoxide issues - surely you want to ensure you and yours are safe and get someone in that is qualified to deal with such, - saving money is one thing but keeping your health and life and property is another that price cannot be valued at a monetary value,

keystone

lemontart wrote: »

....................... saving money is one thing but keeping your health and life and property is another that price cannot be valued at a monetary value,

Yes - but that is not the point of this thread.

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autopetfeeder

Many thanks for the interesting replies. I've just read the regs which have been copied for convenience here http://www.miketheboilerman.com/gsiur.htm

My reading of the extract below, says that any tradesman in a company where the employer is GasSafe is able to work on gas installation in return for payment as long as he is "competent"! The tradesman himself need not be GasSafe.

PART B GAS FITTINGS - GENERAL PROVISIONS
Qualification and supervision
3. - (1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.
(2) The employer of any person carrying out such work for that employer, every other employer and self-employed person who has control to any extent of such work and every employer and self-employed person who has required such work to be carried out at any place of work under his control shall ensure that paragraph (1) above is complied with in relation to such work.
(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.