Brown pledges a decade of prosperity

nearlynew

treliac wrote: »

Okay, but knowing that..... we're stuck with them. What next??

A good starting point is to believe the opposite of what they tell you.

amcluesent

What a contrast between Clown, surely the worst PM for generations, and the details of Thatcher's 1st year in office release under the 30 year rule.

One, a mendacious bullying fool who has wrecked England
The other, who turned around England from being led by Union marxists

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

In his speech today, Brown is expected, or will, pledge a decade of "fair prosperity" while warning that the tories would damage the economy and go for a period of austerity.

How can he actually do what he says? Is there a way? More debt?


He wants to cut, but also wants prosperity and warns of austerity?

He's going to once again bang on about technology and high speed rail. All the things that the party has been banging on about for the previous 10 years and nothing has changed.

Graham, for once you're onto a really interesting, and important, topic.

The upcoming election narrative is going to be really interesting.

The Tories pre-positioned themselves as the party of austerity, which at the time they did so made sense on the back of the bank and expenses scandals. But Brown is playing a blinder in gauging the public mood as being sick to death of austerity after a two year recession, and he's right, people are.

And the polls are tightening as a result.

The tories are now furiously backpedaling as they see how wrong they got it, and their noises are changing to suit the new public mood. But can they re-invent themselves and find a way to commit to a credible course of action that will deliver growth and prosperity? Whilst still achieving what they want to re fiscal balancing?

Yes, they are still ahead in the polls, but far too close to hung parliament territory for comfort. Remember, they need a 10 point lead in the polls to guarantee a workable majority.

I'll be voting conservative because I hate the deeply illiberal erosion of civil rights that has gone on under labour. But I don't hate Brown at all, I think he got it pretty much right in terms of response to the crisis. I do despise Cameron, as I think he is slick and slimy, much like Blair was, and I don't think he is a real Tory at heart.

In terms of impact......

I think house prices will grow faster under the tories, (Kirstie Allsopp as housing advisor suits me just fine!!!!), but I think they'd grow under Labour too. Private sector jobs will grow faster under the Tories, taxes will end up lower after a few years under the Tories, and the nanny state will be pushed back under the Tories.

Labour would certainly be better for public sector jobs, social care, and for those who choose not to be ambitious or want to get ahead in life but instead rely on forced wealth redistribution (theft from the productive) through high taxes and benefits, another labour term would be great..... And sadly there are a lot of people (voters) reliant on that with no perception of how they could work and survive in the real world without a nanny state to wipe their bottoms.

Anyway, I digress, this election is far from over..... And it will be interestiong to see which way the public mood turns. But those expecting brutal cuts or further crashes are likely to be dissapointed no matter who wins.

abaxas

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Graham, for once you're onto a really interesting, and important, topic.

The upcoming election narrative is going to be really interesting.

The Tories pre-positioned themselves as the party of austerity, which at the time they did so made sense on the back of the bank and expenses scandals. But Brown is playing a blinder in gauging the public mood as being sick to death of austerity after a two year recession, and he's right, people are.

And the polls are tightening as a result.

The tories are now furiously backpedaling as they see how wrong they got it, and their noises are changing to suit the new public mood. But can they re-invent themselves and find a way to commit to a credible course of action that will deliver growth and prosperity? Whilst still achieving what they want to re fiscal balancing?

Yes, they are still ahead in the polls, but far too close to hung parliament territory for comfort. Remember, they need a 10 point lead in the polls to guarantee a workable majority.

I'll be voting conservative because I hate the deeply illiberal erosion of civil rights that has gone on under labour. But I don't hate Brown at all, I think he got it pretty much right in terms of response to the crisis. I do despise Cameron, as I think he is slick and slimy, much like Blair was, and I don't think he is a real Tory at heart.

In terms of impact......

I think house prices will grow faster under the tories, (Kirstie Allsopp as housing advisor suits me just fine!!!!), but I think they'd grow under Labour too. Private sector jobs will grow faster under the Tories, taxes will end up lower after a few years under the Tories, and the nanny state will be pushed back under the Tories.

Labour would certainly be better for public sector jobs, social care, and for those who choose not to be ambitious or want to get ahead in life but instead rely on forced wealth redistribution (theft from the productive) through high taxes and benefits, another labour term would be great..... And sadly there are a lot of people (voters) reliant on that with no perception of how they could work and survive in the real world without a nanny state to wipe their bottoms.

Anyway, I digress, this election is far from over..... And it will be interestiong to see which way the public mood turns. But those expecting brutal cuts or further crashes are likely to be dissapointed no matter who wins.

Maybe they are throwing away the election and going for the larger win?

The destruction of the labour party.

tomterm8

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

boom - 10 years - bust

So he has finally admitted it............

Actually, it's normally more like boom - 7 years - bust. Just shows you, you can't trust !!!!!!! politicians.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

abaxas wrote: »

Maybe they are throwing away the election and going for the larger win?

The destruction of the labour party.

No, thats just tin foil hat mentalism of the sort that is rife on hpc these days.

The Tories are hell bent on winning this election, and they'll throw everything they can at it.

No matter who wins, the recession is over, the public sector will get squeezed, the private sector will grow, the housing market will continue recovering, and there is little chance of a gilt strike or credit downgrade, no matter what the doomers may think.

I'm more concerned about the important things, that will make a real difference to the long term livability of the UK. Rolling back the surveillance state, creating a healthy private sector economy, encouraging entreupeneurs, ending the benefits culture, etc.

bernard_shaw

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The upcoming election narrative is going to be really interesting.

Genuine question. What is the function of the word which I've bolded in your sentence?

Mr_Mumble

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The Tories pre-positioned themselves as the party of austerity, which at the time they did so made sense on the back of the bank and expenses scandals. But Brown is playing a blinder in gauging the public mood as being sick to death of austerity after a two year recession, and he's right, people are.

Problem is we've had no austerity. Government spending has kept on increasing and there are no plans to cut nominal spending! The planned 'cuts' in spending are based on high projected growth rates - lower growth rates and those 'real-term' cuts become increases. The government haven't dealt with their problems they're just wishing them away, they act like Micawber while being responsible for distributing 50%+ of the fruits of labour, land and capital.

'The public' who are suckered by Brown are idiots.

PS. Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas even the idiots

nearlynew

Mr_Mumble wrote: »

Problem is we've had no austerity. Government spending has kept on increasing and there are no plans to cut nominal spending! The planned 'cuts' in spending are based on high projected growth rates - lower growth rates and those 'real-term' cuts become increases. The government haven't dealt with their problems they're just wishing them away, they act like Micawber while being responsible for distributing 50%+ of the fruits of labour, land and capital.

'The public' who are suckered by Brown are idiots.

PS. Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas even the idiots

"austerity" to an HPI cheerleader is not being able to borrow as much money as before.

stueyhants

The only think keeping the UK credit rating AAA is the prospect of a Tory government brining in proper fiscal control. Any hint of a labour narrowing of the polls would be very worrying for anyone wanting to borrow heaps of money on the international markets.