Brown pledges a decade of prosperity

Snooze

leveller2911 wrote: »

In 1997 Labour "Promised" to reform the public sector........move on 12 yrs and Labour are promising to ...........reform the public sector....

The polls are saying the gap between the two parties is narrowing ,this just confirms what we were all thinking........People don't trust either of them to govern and there is very little between them in reality.

Personally I feel that in 97 when Nu-labour got in they would be a refreshing change and take the country forward.Within 3 yrs it was very clear to most people this wouldn't be the case.

Now given the fact that they still got in at the last election I for one have lost confidence in the British public in choosing the right party to govern purely because there isn't a RIGHT party.....They are all self serving sh1te bags.I know two MP,s personally and they just re-enforce my views...Oh and damn all yoghurt knitting Liberals.......

Its All very,very sad in truth as the big losers are Us all and our children.:rolleyes:

I wish I had the balls to emigrate ..............It makes me weep to see whats going on to this Country and I'm no girly woosy boy, just a Patriot

I genuinely feel we need direct action ,even revolution to change the system...........


PS: Great post Dopester.....Spot on

I think a lot of people (incl myself) will be voting Conservative not because we want them in, but because we want to keep Labour out. :cool:

R

ses6jwg

I'm voting Labour.

dave4545454

i still find it incredible that in this day and age people still admit to voting labour and conservative?

how many bad labour/tory governments do you need to experience to finally realise that both parties are very poor?

treliac

dopester wrote: »

The fact we don't live for centuries is also to help prevent institutional rigidity and opposition to change. The fact that death requires all human understanding to be relearned anew is an advantage as well as a disadvantage. Longer lifespans would strengthen further personal allegiances and limit intellectual flexibility and learning. Cementing existing values and ideas into place, petrifying existing social arrangements - blocking and resisting new ideas for system change - including your flawed worshipping of crazy high house prices at any economic cost.

What fascinating and profound theorising dopester. You never fail to amaze! Thanks for sparking my thinking on this perspective.

Spartacus_Mills

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Graham, for once you're onto a really interesting, and important, topic.

The upcoming election narrative is going to be really interesting.

The Tories pre-positioned themselves as the party of austerity, which at the time they did so made sense on the back of the bank and expenses scandals. But Brown is playing a blinder in gauging the public mood as being sick to death of austerity after a two year recession, and he's right, people are.

And the polls are tightening as a result.

This is just plainly not true as can be seen from the polls history I took from UKPollingreport.co.uk

The Independent poll of the 20th December was savagely deconstructed by Mike Smithson on pb.com. It is the question and the weightings that matter as much as the poll result and bear in mind the margin of error of +-3%. Most of these are within that spectrum.

It is a narrative that is being spun by some Labour loving journalists, the likes of Jackie Ashley who could not write a balanced article if her life depended on it, in the media based on a couple of polls.

C L Ld
20 Dec 38 29 19Con +9
18 Dec 40 24 20Con +16
17 Dec 40 28 18Con +12
13 Dec 43 26 20Con +17
13 Dec 40 31 18Con +9
11 Dec 40 31 16Con +9
11 Dec 41 30 17Con +11
10 Dec 41 24 21Con +17
10 Dec 40 23 19Con +17
6 Dec 38 30 20Con +8
4 Dec 40 27 18Con +13
3 Dec 40 29 19Con +11
29 Nov 37 27 20Con +10
26 Nov 39 29 19Con +10
23 Nov 39 22 21Con +17
15 Nov 37 31 17Con +6
15 Nov 42 29 19Con +13
13 Nov 41 27 18Con +14
12 Nov 39 25 17Con +14
8 Nov 39 29 18Con +10
5 Nov 38 24 20Con +14
5 Nov 41 27 17Con +14
29 Oct 41 28 16Con +13
29 Oct 42 25 21Con +17
25 Oct 40 27 18Con +13

You have never been one to let the facts get in the way Hamish.

alared

Snooze wrote: »

I think a lot of people (incl myself) will be voting Conservative not because we want them in, but because we want to keep Labour out. :cool:

R

Exactly,people don`t want more of the same,they want change.

Gordon Brown has the charisma of a dead sheep.
When people see his tired,baggy-eyed,worn and weary face promising great things,they just know it ain`t going to happen.

The only bets the bookies are taking is by how big a majority the Tories are going to win by.
Says it all.

Graham_Devon

Did he make a speech?

Can't find it?

Spartacus_Mills

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Did he make a speech?

Can't find it?

Reckon the press corps slept through it.

kabayiri

Is a pledge like a promise with a guarantee?

If so, I'll take that.

Give him 5 years to turn things around, and if he fails, none of the MPs get any money for that period, including pension and expenses.

If he succeeds, well....he can have a nice brucey bonus.

If I buy a product from Asda, and it doesn't do what it says on the box, I take it back and get my money back. If only Asda did Politicians....

bear1969

amcluesent wrote: »

What a contrast between Clown, surely the worst PM for generations, and the details of Thatcher's 1st year in office release under the 30 year rule.

One, a mendacious bullying fool who has wrecked England
The other, who turned around England from being led by Union marxists

dont forget scotland managed to ruin us too and he is scottish:beer: