UK Losing AAA rating...?...

lostinrates

abaxas wrote: »

Often people riot for no logical reason, some trigger sets someone off and everyone joins in.

Feelings and logic are not the same thing.

Yes *lir nods sagely*. like collections of beanie babies: Goodness only knows what THAT is about.

Really2

abaxas wrote: »

Often people riot for no logical reason, some trigger sets someone off and everyone joins in.

Feelings and logic are not the same thing.

I think you are confusing hooliganism and organised riots. The poll tax riots were not accidental.

Even most football riots are organised, most people who riot don't even support a cause they are just there to disrupt and fight.

That is why the police survey any large protest as the usual faces usually turn up.

I can't think of many riots off the back of protests that were not organised.

The only big one I can think of are the Rodney King riots in America. But they were fairly undestanable really considering what went on.
But then there is still a logical trigger, so i can't agree with you on that.

Can you give some idea of riots without triggers, I struggle to think of any in history really.

tomterm8

Really2 wrote: »

But you have to know what you are doing the hard ware side of IT for over 15 years. I still would not know where to get malicious code from.

Pardon? You don't know how to use google? It really isn't that hard to find malicious code. And, with only a little research, you can get on hacker websites and learn most of the tricks of the trade.

Really2 wrote: »

And even with my knowledge I would still have to be working for the company to get past the fire wall as I could not hack past it. I would then have to also hope that the AV etc does not detect it before doing major damage.

I know what your are saying and I partly agree but it is not easy. Not easy like deleting or robbing the databases of an SME

I used to work for a company that did grey hat work, hacking into different secured companies. Although I wasn't actually working as a hacker, just a general programmer.From discussions with other people there, it was generally not all that difficult to hack into companies databases. The irony of it was that despite their area of work, two seperate hackers got into the securtity consultants system during the time I was working there. I am sure that at least one of the hackers was not me.

I was quite amazed after I left the company to see a skip full of computers with hard drives out front.

Really2

tomterm8 wrote: »

It really isn't that hard to find malicious code. And, with only a little research, you can get on hacker websites and learn most of the tricks of the trade.

Not the kind of person to try it my friend. That is kind of my point.

tomterm8

Really2 wrote: »

Not the kind of person to try it my friend. That is kind of my point.

My point is that if you wanted to, you could probably do it without any knowledge of programming. And people who are programmers, IT experts etc are likely to be interested in these things on general principal. Unfortunatly, the world is full of people who not only can, but will, hack into computers just for fun. And some of those people will be evil !!!!!!s.

Really2

tomterm8 wrote: »

My point is that if you wanted to, you could probably do it without any knowledge of programming. And people who are programmers, IT experts etc are likely to be interested in these things on general principal. Unfortunatly, the world is full of people who not only can, but will, hack into computers just for fun. And some of those people will be evil !!!!!!s.

So it should be massive already then.

I really do not see it being a major disruption for the UK TBH (or it would be rife already if anyone could do it). But i am willing to be proved wrong

tomterm8

Erm, it actually is a massive problem. To quote from the most recent parliamentary report (october 2006):

The 2002/03 British Crime Survey showed that 18% of
households with internet access said their home
computer had been affected by a virus. This had
increased to 27% in 2003/04. One-third said the virus

had damaged their computer.

2 The biennial Department

of Trade and Industry (DTI) Security Breaches survey
reports that 62% of UK businesses had a computer
security incident in the 2006.

3 These statistics may

underestimate the real situation as many organisations or
individuals may be unaware that the security of their

computer has been compromised.

Computing crimes statistics are not seperatly reported statistically, and I'd say most cases are not even reported to the police. But just spybot (a free tool) looks out for well over 280,000 malicious spyware programs, most virus checkers deal with millions of viruses, and from my own personal experiences the police are almost completly useless at solving computing crime.

Really2

tomterm8 wrote: »

Erm, it actually is a massive problem. To quote from the most recent parliamentary report (october 2006):

The 2002/03 British Crime Survey showed that 18% of
households with internet access said their home
computer had been affected by a virus. This had
increased to 27% in 2003/04. One-third said the virus

had damaged their computer.

2 The biennial Department

of Trade and Industry (DTI) Security Breaches survey
reports that 62% of UK businesses had a computer
security incident in the 2006.

3 These statistics may

underestimate the real situation as many organisations or
individuals may be unaware that the security of their

computer has been compromised.

Computing crimes statistics are not seperatly reported statistically, and I'd say most cases are not even reported to the police. But just spybot (a free tool) looks out for well over 280,000 malicious spyware programs, most virus checkers deal with millions of viruses, and from my own personal experiences the police are almost completly useless at solving computing crime.

I think this is way off now, I get what you are saying but your item above includes virus and many types of security threats nearly all of them are not designed to specifically to take out a companies data.

kabayiri wrote: »

You miss the newer forms of attack vector.
Earlier this Summer I was on a client site. There was a problematic outbreak of malicious software, affecting the windows side of the internal network.

How many disgruntled ex-employees might we have during 2010/2011? Quite a few I should imagine.

How many have access to potentially large sets of sensitive client data? Again, a fair number.

If corporations took a relaxed attitude to data security before, they might find a rude awakening.

From what you have said I am saying every company should be on thier knees now any way as most companies have done the big bulk of job losses earlier in the year/ last year.

Really2

I think a good idea for modern anarchy is the X Factor number 1 and Simon Cowell.

I agree it stops other people trying so what do people do, go on line and moan and buy rage against the machine.

Rage against the machine are a Sony BMG act and who works for Sony BMG.

I tell you Anarchy has left the UK.

Generali

According to the ever excellent P o p b i t c h, at the TV Music Awards a couple of years back, Goldman Sachs took the biggest table and 'I Predict a Riot' was the signal to bring out the cheese course.

Altogether now...Anchovy in the UK...