why is there so much hostility towards trades unions here?

The_White_Horse

ses6jwg wrote: »

the legislation in the UK is still heavily in favour of the employer, unlike on the continent

as it should be. why should someone, who takes the risk to start a company and then be in a position to help someone earn a salary that they otherwise wouldn't earn, be punished. Of course the employer should have more rights.

StevieJ

Generali wrote: »

Because people remember the 1960s & 70s and how appalling things were IMO.

My dad used to turn up to a print works in Fleet Street in the 1960s in the early evening. All but one would go to the pub.

A couple of times a month (max) they'd be called back (drunk) because the machines jammed. The machines used to jam because the unions wouldn't let the print companies buy new ones!

Gen,, not like you to be stuck in the past

ses6jwg

The_White_Horse wrote: »

as it should be. why should someone, who takes the risk to start a company and then be in a position to help someone earn a salary that they otherwise wouldn't earn, be punished. Of course the employer should have more rights.

I'm not saying the employer should not have more rights.

I was pointing out that your argument that "Trade unions are no longer needed because their role is enshrined in legislation" is inaccurate.

Trade unions should act as a back stop for when employers (and yes they do) exploit their employees and break the law. Without trade unions many employees lack the resources to take their cases forwards even where there is a clear breach on behalf of the employer.

JonnyBravo

There are plenty of good unions but unfortunately a few give the others a bad name


It does make me laugh that so many respond to White Horse as if he is serious. He's just trolling, his views always get people to bite. He's probably an accountant frustrated he didn't get tuna in his sandwiches today. Please don't take his merry making seriously.

The_White_Horse

maybe if unions were run by decent people and not militant lefty scum like bob crowe they may be better received.

ruggedtoast

The_White_Horse wrote: »

maybe if unions were run by decent people and not militant lefty scum like bob crowe they may be better received.

Do you read it daily; the Mail? Or just the Sunday one?

custardy

ses6jwg wrote: »

The fascist troll strikes again.

What a ridiculous thing calling for them to be banned.

Ordinary men fought and died for the right to belong to a trade union.

However I do have a fairly negative opinion of them. They prevent modernisation (Royal Mail) and fail to see the bigger picture.

But I dont have the self-important audacity to call for a ban on them.

and what are your views on the modernisation implemented by RM so far?

PasturesNew

I've never been in a union, never worked in a company that had a union, had no dealings with a union whatsoever, ever.

ukcarper

chewmylegoff wrote: »

i agree with the above, that there's no real need for unions anymore - further, their leaders are generally speaking a bunch of hypocrites who rave on about 'fat cats' whilst in effect leaching off low paid employees by collecting subs and paying themselves top dollar for doing very little (except, in some cases, having unnecessary strikes every now and then which actually cost their workforce money as they all have to take strike pay and get no tangible improvement in terms and conditions).

So are you saying that all employers value their staff and would not keep their conditions and pay as low as possible ?

adr0ck

the following link may explain why a lot of people have misgivings about trade unions

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5960724/Trade-union-leaders-receive-huge-pay-rises-despite-redundancies-and-salary-cuts-among-members.html