Staffies

tandraig

Its because of the staffies past reputation as a 'fighting' dog, which has attracted the wrong kind of owner to it. yes they dress them up in black leather with metal bits on and stand around looking hard for the most part - as I said before , this makes me laugh knowing how soft the dogs really are. the really dangerous owners though are the ones who are still using the dogs for the original purpose ie fighting other dogs, badgers or anything really. these people are deliberately breeding aggressive dogs - and breeding out the better characteristics. so if anyone suspects neighbours etc of using their staffies for this purpose please inform the police who would be most interested. until this misuse of dogs is stopped the staffie is going to get a bed press and there will be more tradegys as more unsuitable dogs are bred and discarded as 'not hard enough'!

suki1964

UKTigerlily wrote: »

If a Staffy was flushing out game & doing exactly the same as a spaniel it'd still be a working dog whether bred to do that or not, and there's abit more to PAT than being stroked & it's not just hospital wards! I count any dog that does a job as a working dog, whether a police dog, a gundog, a guide dog, a therapy dog it doesn't matter. And you can absolutely get gundogs from rescue

Actually no you cant get gun dogs from rescue, not if you are seriously working your dog and want your dog to be recognised as a good working dog

You get good working dogs from good working proven lines - therefore you go to a Breeder. A breeder who is breeding from the best available stock - both sire and dam. You dont just go pick up some pup from a rescue who just happens to be a spaniel or retriever

Once again you are just showing you dont know what anyone means when they say they have a WORKING dog

If your staffy was bred to work same as spaniels and retrievers were then yes you could class it as a working dog. However staffies were bred for the sole purpose of bear and bull baiting, badger hunting and finally dog fighting ( for which they are still being bred for)

On no account would you if you were seriously into hunting and shooting be buying or rescuing a staffy to train up. Genetically they just dont have what it takes.



J

gettingready

tandraig wrote: »

yes they dress them up in black leather with metal bits on and stand around looking hard for the most part - as I said before , this makes me laugh knowing how soft the dogs really are.

Sorry, so seeing a bunch of hoodies with those dogs you laugh because you know those dogs are soft?

Really? Because you see, I can not walk past them laughing - not when I have my dog with me as they would shred my dog to pieces.

suki1964

gettingready wrote: »

Sorry, so seeing a bunch of hoodies with those dogs you laugh because you know those dogs are soft?

Really? Because you see, I can not walk past them laughing - not when I have my dog with me as they would shred my dog to pieces.

So agree

These dogs may be soft about humans - they still are some of the most aggressive dogs out there when it comes to dog on dog

And I know I would cross the road rather then walk my lad up to one

mrcol1000

Sublime wrote: »

They don't ask for much, just to be loved (not excluded), have a walk, and a nice meal everyday.

You forgot the fact they also need a couch to sleep on the other 23 hours of the day.

mrcol1000

suki1964 wrote: »

Actually no you cant get gun dogs from rescue, not if you are seriously working your dog and want your dog to be recognised as a good working dog

J

So you can get good working dogs from rescues but they won't get a certificate to say they are offically good? :huh:

izzydogsam

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

It may be different where you live, but in the pounds I know, at the end of seven days, unclaimed dogs can either be put to sleep, go to a rescue, or be rehomed directly to members of the public.

Same where I live - my rescued GSD was from the council pound. He was collected as a stray from my partner's place of work, had his seven days in the council pound, no-one claimed him and he was due to be pts. So we went and collected him :T. This was about eight or nine years ago though.

izzydogsam

suki1964 wrote: »

So agree

These dogs may be soft about humans - they still are some of the most aggressive dogs out there when it comes to dog on dog

And I know I would cross the road rather then walk my lad up to one

We used to have a SBT a few years ago, and my friend has a EBT that we look after frequently. Both were/are fantastic dogs, well socialised and great with other dogs. Equally, I've known SBTs that were dreadful round other dogs but their owners were responsible with them and avoided confrontations. Can't stand people who encourage bad behaviour in their dogs and find it amusing.

I don't think it's fair to generalise as to whether a breed is good or bad around other dogs - it's pretty much all down to the owner, training and socialisation as far as I can see . I would agree that certain dogs can do more damage than others when they attack though, and certain breeds seem to attract a certain type of irresponsible owners that give every dog owner a bad name :mad:.

My rescued GSD is not brilliant round other dogs despite years of remedial training by us! He was bitten by a staffie (not ours!) when young and now tries to get in first. We socialise him safely with a small number of dogs he tolerates and we can walk past other dogs on lead without a performance now. I don't trust him off lead with new dogs though so I behave accordingly.

I'm tired of all dog owners bein 'beaten up' by the media when lots of us do our best for our dogs and it's just a minority that cause the problems.

suki1964

izzydogsam wrote: »

We used to have a SBT a few years ago, and my friend has a EBT that we look after frequently. Both were/are fantastic dogs, well socialised and great with other dogs. Equally, I've known SBTs that were dreadful round other dogs but their owners were responsible with them and avoided confrontations. Can't stand people who encourage bad behaviour in their dogs and find it amusing.

I don't think it's fair to generalise as to whether a breed is good or bad around other dogs - it's pretty much all down to the owner, training and socialisation as far as I can see . I would agree that certain dogs can do more damage than others when they attack though, and certain breeds seem to attract a certain type of irresponsible owners that give every dog owner a bad name :mad:.

My rescued GSD is not brilliant round other dogs despite years of remedial training by us! He was bitten by a staffie (not ours!) when young and now tries to get in first. We socialise him safely with a small number of dogs he tolerates and we can walk past other dogs on lead without a performance now. I don't trust him off lead with new dogs though so I behave accordingly.

I'm tired of all dog owners bein 'beaten up' by the media when lots of us do our best for our dogs and it's just a minority that cause the problems.

Dont get me wrong, my own "sweet cute fluffy cocker" isnt good around male dogs. Like you I have socialised him and trained him accordingly -but still he is no good around entire males and if he does feel threatened he will attack, No amount of training can take that out of him and so like you we do our best to avoid the situation

Which rather puts paid to your arguement regarding socialisation and training

Staffies are renowned for their dog on dog aggression and for the majoriety no amount of training will take it out of them. Its not the dogs fault, its bred into them - especially by back yard breeders and puppy farmers ( if there was ever a reason needed to only buy from reputable breeders then the staffy is one) Even those who post to these forums telling us how wonderful the breed is admit their dogs dont like other dogs althought they are fantastic around humans

My own personal experience tells me staffies are one of the worse breed for dog on dog aggression, even here in your post you tell us your own dog was attacked by a staffy...


Im never one to tar a breed by the same brush, Im sure there are thos who do remeber me defending staffs and proving that most dog on human bites were made by lap dogs rather then staffies, but you can not deny they statistically saffys have problems with dog on dog aggression

izzydogsam

Suki1964, I wasn't having a go at you, I was pointing out that we should never assume that a dog will be aggressive just because it is of a certain breed.

suki1964 wrote: »

Which rather puts paid to your arguement regarding socialisation and training

Why? I have a rescue dog that had a bad start in life and who became dog aggressive after being bitten by a staffie, you have a cocker that isn't good around unneutered males, despite both our best efforts. I don't see how this undermines my point that training, socialisation and consistency by the owner from a young age will avoid most problems of dog-on-dog aggression in later life?

A well-socialised dog will have learned bite inhibition and how to read signals and body language from other dogs. I agree that outside of these areas, irresponsible breeding of dogs with undesirable temperaments also leads to problems. My friend's EBT was very well-socialised as a pup and she has no problems with him with other dogs at all, yet this is also a breed 'known' for dog on dog aggression? He came from a responsible breeder that bred for temperament as well as looks.

suki1964 wrote: »

My own personal experience tells me staffies are one of the worse breed for dog on dog aggression, even here in your post you tell us your own dog was attacked by a staffy...

Then my own personal experience should tell me that collies and JRTs are also bad for dog on dog aggression, as my dogs have been bitten by these breeds too whilst on the lead over the last eight or so years :undecided. I don't assume that all collies and JRTs are aggressive though. I take every dog on its own merits, regardless of its breed, as it is my experience that the majority of problems are 'man-made', though there are obviously exceptions.

Statistics are difficult to prove I think. The staffie is such a popular breed these days and in particular with a certain 'type' of owner, that it is difficult to tell whether the 'real' breed is really particularly dog aggressive, or whether many are just badly socialised/trained/bred because they are in the wrong hands etc. and they are the ones we see most of .